EmperorTrump said:

Hey Plarium, i dont know what u did recently to screw with the BGS but i just took out a lvl 98, 51, 38 and 33 BG and do u know what i got??????  About 350 dragons and 70 occult units!!!!!!!!! BULLLLLLLLSHHHIIIIII.......   I spend WEEKS training before i do bgs and i just threw away massive amounts of wyverns and dragons, paladins and knights ive spent WEEKS training and this is all i got?????  I know how the normal system works, its based off losses. So i melted down the 98, melted down the 51,melted down a lvl 23 Portal QUEST bg, then went and finished the 98. Then i got a CRAPPY reward of 295 dragons for finishing a 98..... Yes 295 dragons after all of that.... so i finished the 51 hoping to get the full payout.. Got 55 dragons.. PFFF, so i said thats still not good enough, let me take out a 38 and see.. Got 37 occult units..  STILL not good enough so i took out a 33 saying OK this time im actually gonna get the "real" payout... NOPE..... Another 37 occult units.... WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIIII!!!! Totally inexcusable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am BEYOND PISSED OFF.... Do u know how much money ive spent on this game and i just got thoroughly ROBBED!!!!!!!  OK, thats the way it is??? Then I wont be spending any more money!!! Have it your way..SO STUPID AND RIDICULOUS CHEATING AND ROBBING A MASSIVE SPENDING CUSTOMER WHO IS AN EXPERT AT BGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NO EXCUSE FOR THAT LOUSY PAYOUT!!!!!

  Go ahead and check my reports from 8:24 pm EST to 12:35 am EST and tell me do u think thats fair????

What a silly thing to nit pick and dispute. The point is ALL the bgs i melted down including a lvl 98 all the way down and 51 all the way down before finishing the 98 and only got rocks and pebbles.. Oops i mean 255 dragons... for my thousands of wyverns, dragons, necros, knights and palas. Then finished 2 other bgs and still got more dirt thrown in my face from Plarium from their recent "Upgrades and changes"

I see u still havent grasped the entirety of what i did. Not my fault. The saga was the smallest piece of the pie and thats all ur hung up on. Stop looking to troll just because u "like to comment". I bet u have thousands of worthless tweets and facebook posts so u can feel special.

 I yellowed a 98 and 51, let me repeat, yellowed a 98... and a 51.. then finished the 98, got a measly 295 dragons for all that. Then finished 3 more bgs waiting for the big payout and still got nothing. The message is for Plarium, not u.  Oh and warehouses and barns were maxed so i could only receive troops. Still got ripped off worse than i EVER have in my entire history of playing.. Oh and coincidentally its since their "Upgrades"............   I will be using the rest of all my stuff and then never spending a penny more. Good job Plarium, u succeeded in driving away a HIGH spender 

 I want an answer Plarium!

Lord Emperortrump,

as far as I can see you're not familiar with recent changes.

Approximately six months ago Plarium resolved Bg's cheating issue. Yellowing Bg's isn't helpful anymore.

Rewards are depending on your bank. Nothing else. 

Thank u for ur input. I have never changed my methods and i still have always gotten massive payouts. Its not so much about the yellowing, but its about ur troop losses correct? In which case my losses for taking out 90% of a lvl 98 and the same to a lvl 51, and then finishing the lvl 98 should be pretty sufficient, more than a 295 dragon reward... Yes i know sometimes u have t finish a few more to hit the big score, so i did. I did a few more lvl 38 and lvl 33 which hadnt been touched, they were full. Still nothing more than 37 necros and 55 dragons. I just did another lvl 32 also and still havent gotten a payout. If theres no payout than what would be the point in throwing away WEEKS worth of training and boosting troops only to get back 5% of what i used?  There is something wrong here. Ive never gotten a raw deal like this, EVER

OK Plarium i have totals to make it easier for u. Troop losses on lvl 98 and lvl 51 BEFORE going back and finishing lvl 98 bg.

 1 Great Western, 1 Pegasus, 143 dragons, 400 wyverns, 109 necro/warlock, 2 Renegades, 341 knights, 981 paladins, 64 pikes.

 THEN when finishing the level 98 bg more losses of ANOTHER 50 dragons, 217 wyverns, 68 necro, 6 warlocks, 11 renegades, 163 knights, 810 paladins, 13 wraiths.

So ALL of that was used to finish the lvl 98. The reward???  

  295 dragons........................... 

  As i said sometimes u have to do a few more bgs to make sure u clear the bank, WHICH I DID, i threw away ANOTHER 157 dragons, 52 wyverns, etc on the lvl 99 bg.. THEN finished the lvl 51 from previously with another 71 dragons, 23 necros, 34 knights, 124 paladins.   

 Reward???  55 dragons.....................

 I said this cannot be possible, so did a lvl 38 and lvl 33 bg. Used over another 100 more dragons and 22 wyverns, 24 necros, 6 renegades, ETC.....  

 Reward from both of those.............. A TOTAL of 70 occult units.............

  Final losses.. 521 dragons, 669 wyverns, 196 necro/warlocks 13 renegades, over 630 knights, over 1800 paladins, ETC ETC...

  Final rewards... 350 dragons and 70 occult units......

 And as i stated i cleared 90% of the lvl 98 and then 90% of the lvl 51 and then finished the 98 for "winnings" of only 255 dragons. Then on and on to more bgs and still NO REWARDS WORTH MY TROOP LOSSES

  I have been doing bgs the same way for 9 months and never changed my methods, and ALWAYS receive massive payouts. Maybe u should inform your customers that you'll be making significant changes before u completely scr.ew over your PAYING (and in my case HIGH HIGH HIGH PAYING) customers. This was not a change from 6 months ago, this was in the past week.

  Even setting aside ALL other unit losses. Just adding my wyvern and dragon losses vs reward count by itself.. 1290 wyverns/dragons lost vs 350 dragon "rewards"........  Not even counting ALLLL the other losses of my troops in there

   COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

listen to your brain then 

and STOP doing them 

thats as easy as it is 

( ohh and just me being extra helpful saga quest BG does nothing to the bank and your melting of just those two levels would in no way make you eligible for a payout on that high level )

my tip regarding BG's:

your at the casino, and you have to remember the golden rule:

The House Always Wins.

hope this helps, and I wish you best of luck of geting your troops back

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

PS to the OP - if you don't track resources in and out then there is no point in commenting on BG's.

This is in fact the kind of rant that closes Plarium's ears, because they are so used to people complaining when they don't understand what they are complaining about, that they don't listen when a knowledable player finally comes around with decent facts and info and points out that BG's are bugged.

to me, the only thing plarium ears need to hear, is that there is a portion of their player base who are tired of "resource sink" "gameplay".  looking at his numbers i am not surprised by his losses, it is his statement of usual gains that baffles me.  as well as your statement of of one time payoff. is that a statement of true gain?  the use of the term cheaters shows the viewpoint of plarium,  that using a skilled approach gained too much value.  that value was still a resource sink for me.  in my experience clearing not yellowlining 10 to 20 bgs within a 5 level grouping has resulted in no payout and it has taken dropping 12 levels below that grouping to get a payout.  i do not track resources, but there is no way i could even get a profit by clearing 20 similar bgs in order to get one payout.

bgs is simply not fun gameplay, it is a loss.

as for the new update, it is a multiplier at the expense of resource sinks.  it is not a growth path.  gathering resources is a growth path, and the best one provided is by illegal bots, not plarium.  and if anyone says hamlets, they will not be insulting my intelligence, it will be insulting theirs.

resource gathering is equal ground. a multiplier favors what already exists.  a mutiplier of .5 x 100k is a huge loss in value from the inital  value since it is relative to .5 x 100m.  all mutipliers work the same.  every single multiplier makes the weak weaker and the strong stronger regardless of gains by the weak.

a set growth path of 1m resources per day is equal gameplay.  yes you must get strong enough to gather, but that is doable with reasonable effort.

lol saga's don't count towards bank and you should use nothing "good" on them you could raise wraiths every day and kill them over the next year and it won't matter they don't "bank" resources

banking bg's still works but you need to reload your rewards before clearing another and try again if you didn't get a payout so its better to bank the higher level ones rather than the low level ones 

you took a payout too soon if you got a big reward last time you need to repay that in resources before getting another

Just to clarify -you yellowed say 5 bgs level 90, 91, 92, 93 and 94 - you cleared level 94 but got a lousy payout - reload the reward from the level 94 into bgs and try to clear the level 93 - and so on ....

you can still play them using the bank you do not have to clear each one but you do have to yellow more than you used to also i recommend NOT clearing them all after you get a payout - if you leave some yellowed then you will have some bg's yellowed that you can pull troops out of if you get into trouble doing bgs

Nemanja said:

Approximately six months ago Plarium resolved Bg's cheating issue. Yellowing Bg's isn't helpful anymore.

Lol.

1) Understanding the mechanics using your skill knowledge and experience and using them to your best advantage is not "cheating".

2) They didn't resolve diddly squat - you can still make massive one-off profits from BG's

What a silly thing to nit pick and dispute. The point is ALL the bgs i melted down including a lvl 98 all the way down and 51 all the way down before finishing the 98 and only got rocks and pebbles.. Oops i mean 255 dragons... for my thousands of wyverns, dragons, necros, knights and palas. Then finished 2 other bgs and still got more dirt thrown in my face from Plarium from their recent "Upgrades and changes"

 There was really no point of u to comment if u take in the entirety of all the bgs i melted down. I think ur just one of those ppl who likes to insert ur opinions, no matter how meaningless or relevant it is to the whole of the conversation

@Jezebel regarding ur strategy for bgs. I do exactly the same method as u recommended. I yellowed a 98 and then a 51 both almost to completion. Figuring in any normal circumstance ive ever had that losing that many troops should be enough for a good payout. Afterall almost completing a 98 is pretty massive losses. So then finished the 98 and got 255 dragons, peanuts for what i lost. In any case like this u still havent cashed out the reward and just have to do a few more bgs of just about any level to get that reward. Afterall, i lost tons yellowing the 98 all the way down, and then lost more dragons/wyverns when i finished it. So i yellowed a 99 a little bit, then took out a 38 from full, still nothing. Running out of troops now i finished the 51 which was yellowed all the way down. Still nothing. Then took out a 33, stlll nothing. I said ok the reward has GOT to be in the bank, so i took out a 33, and then a 32. STILL nothing. Now i have no army left and nothing to show for doing all that. Ive literally NEVER had this happen before. The reward has been built up from yellowing a 98 and a 51 and then finishing the 98, and then doing the 38, 33, and 32. I couldnt afford to keep yellowing without cashing something out first and then going back for more. And yes i always keep some yellowed for when im ready to cash out. Ive always done bgs this same way and it has always worked with 100% success. Ive even taught marshals and all kinds of players how to do it this way and it always works the same for them as it does for me. I do the exact strategy as what u recommended, ive always had 100% success rate in cashing in. Except NOT this time. Hence my extreme frustration and complete dissatisfaction and i assume it has to do with the recent 1% Upgrade changes made

EmperorTrump said:

@Jezebel regarding ur strategy for bgs. I do exactly the same method as u recommended. I yellowed a 98 and then a 51 both almost to completion. Figuring in any normal circumstance ive ever had that losing that many troops should be enough for a good payout. Afterall almost completing a 98 is pretty massive losses. So then finished the 98 and got 255 dragons, peanuts for what i lost. In any case like this u still havent cashed out the reward and just have to do a few more bgs of just about any level to get that reward. Afterall, i lost tons yellowing the 98 all the way down, and then lost more dragons/wyverns when i finished it. So i yellowed a 99 a little bit, then took out a 38 from full, still nothing. Running out of troops now i finished the 51 which was yellowed all the way down. Still nothing. Then took out a 33, stlll nothing. I said ok the reward has GOT to be in the bank, so i took out a 33, and then a 32. STILL nothing. Now i have no army left and nothing to show for doing all that. Ive literally NEVER had this happen before. The reward has been built up from yellowing a 98 and a 51 and then finishing the 98, and then doing the 38, 33, and 32. I couldnt afford to keep yellowing without cashing something out first and then going back for more. And yes i always keep some yellowed for when im ready to cash out. Ive always done bgs this same way and it has always worked with 100% success. Ive even taught marshals and all kinds of players how to do it this way and it always works the same for them as it does for me. I do the exact strategy as what u recommended, ive always had 100% success rate in cashing in. Except NOT this time. Hence my extreme frustration and complete dissatisfaction and i assume it has to do with the recent 1% Upgrade changes made

  On a side note unrelated, my dragons and wyverns are lvl 19 and 20 respectively, and my chimeras are only lvl 1, so it wouldnt make sense for me to waste the resources training chimeras and using them on bgs at this point. Just wanted to add that on, but its unrelated to my plight here. Thank u for ur assistance 

its the resources that count, not the level..... old friend. :) remember me?

anywho.. to help. a month plus ago, I had sank so much in bgs like you I just stopped. Reevaluated what I had read and practiced and switched it up a little. Waited a little, threw everything I had read or learned about them out the window, except for a few key points, reevaluate my method and started up again. I am in a fat negative bank, that's thanks to back to back pay outs. plan to keep it that way now.

also, learn to use paragraphs and such.. it helps to read what you are trying to say.

I feel sorry for you. I am afraid that you aren't the first or the last to experience these problems, and you won't be the last. 

our current understanding of BG is absolute. It no longer works. 

My advice to you, get a good BG sheet, track your BG, and hopefully, you will come to the same conclusion that everyone has came with. that is all you have been told about BG is totally false. When these happen you will either A continue to blame plarium or B come with a new way of doing BG. 

No matter track your BG.

Also use those BG calculators when doing BG, especially banking, refrain from yellowing BG, I find that it delays the reward. 

Your first step must be to go online and read what people believe of BG, and how you should do BG. it seem you are using an outdated, but legit method of doing BG. 

Dear Lords

Yellowing bgs still works but as some of you said it takes more time. It seems as i read from a mate when you dont finish the BG only the 70% (aprox...with this u never can be sure) goes to the bank and the 30% remaining (aprox) gets out of ur bank till u finish the BG.

so yellowing means you have still to barrell some bgs more to be sure u reach the amount required.

hope this can solve ur doubts

Regards

As a rough rule of thumb it takes loading approx 4/5 BG's of a particular level to fill the bank to the level to drive a payout. There is no exact figure because it depends how efficiently you run the kills (the more efficient increasing the number of BG's you would need to kill b4 payout).

Loading 1 98 and then expecting it to payout is unrealistic. 

As someone already said, track your resources in and out and you will get a feel for BG's. If you don't you will never understand even the basics.