I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

VodkaRedBull said:

Zsolt Antal said:

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

dont use imperials !

to late to not do that ... after almost all youre army it's destroyed and u only have level 45  and higher  position available ..and lost the other troups till then   .. i went all in :))  

Zsolt Antal said:

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

imperial troops have no value on pp,find me on map and i'll send you persian calculator,you can read there how to play :)

As it has been said so many times PP are an optional feature of the game.

If you think that you will sustain severe loses then don't play for your own good.

There are guides for PP, there are also experienced players who can help you understand the system and there are pages explaining how PP system workds.

If you want to play then I suggest you learn a few things so you can understand how this whole feature works.

Nothing is certain since those are advice shared from players to players and they are not confirmed by Plarium.

For example some say imperial units don't count while others say they do count.

But no one has proved that they don't count or that they do count indeed. 

For example some say imperial units don't count while others say they do count.

But no one has proved that they don't count or that they do count indeed. 

Zsolt Antal said:

today went doing three positions with 60 k attack ..after  the battles i was left with 10 k  offense ... and now has only 28 and higher positions available .. and like i  already told you guys above  also yesterday i lost troups ...  and i still don't  get those high rewards after i lost 1 milion attack a week ago ..rigged 

When was the last time you got a decent payout and what level was it?

Did you calculate how many resources your payout was?

After that did you keep track of the resources you invested in PP?

It doesn't matter how much offense you have spent but how many resources you have invested in the bank! 

an week ago  i lost 170 macedons ..220  agemas ..50 imperial  promo .. 70 promochoes ..40 imperials  ..plus  others ... to get 152 macedonians

 an the last payout after that    in the last week was 240 promochoes and 40 peltast  and of course i lost    a lot more troups till  receiving this rewards ..like i said in the first message ...   i'm building non stop and also spent a lot of drachmas to revive army ... over 20 k drachmas :((( 

Zsolt Antal said:

an week ago  i lost 170 macedons ..220  agemas ..50 imperial  promo .. 70 promochoes ..40 imperials  ..plus  others ... to get 152 macedonians

 an the last payout after that    in the last week was 240 promochoes and 40 peltast  and of course i lost    a lot more troups till  receiving this rewards ..like i said in the first message ...   i'm building non stop and also spent a lot of drachmas to revive army ... over 20 k drachmas :((( 

who thinks  that  this  okey ??? 
 it's rigged :( 

Have you ever got a real payout?

When did you start playing positions?

And what is your highest position level at the moment?

Have you read any relevant post/article about PP?

my level it's 58  ...big mistake for me .... one day   one month ago  i was lossing a lot of troups and got higher and higher in level  .. that day i done all  the attack positions available  so it was the only  chamce to get something back... wanted to get an payout ... so i reached at 58  at at that moment all my army was decimate  ..had to  boughtg a lot of army to finish the level  57 position  ..and to get some payout ..to have    army to play

 the next weeks i rebuilded my army  ..investing  money ...till i thought to  get another chance .... and  then  happened what i wrote above about  losing 1 miliion  attack to get those macedons  ( was in almost the same  place ) .. i wrote here about what happened to me  and the guys told me that will get another payout ..to be patinece to rebuild..... of course i spent more money to revive and have troups to play ...

in the last days after that or so stopped on level below 35 ..but of course i have  a few position available...  on defense my lowest for  over three week it's an level 28 ...and on attack ... today my lowest was level 10 ...and a had like  2 position below 20 ...and another three below 27 for attack ... wich i done ..and like i said i  lost  almost all attack i went in was destroyed ...now i have two  level 28 and 32 and higher available...but all my light infantary ..build in the last days ..plus what i had extra   where destroyed ..and  if  i'm going up ..with my luck ...all i had it will be destroyed again :( 

So in the last month ... i spent  60-70 dollars .. and almost all the drachmas i get from those  purchases ..went to revive troups ... i'm also done good on all the tournaments and didn't  get destroyed one time  .. but those rigged persians   ..are takind all the fun for playing :( 

 Something needs to change with this  positions .. a lot of people are unhappy :(  ..and like i told you  ..me one i think it's tigged only to make to put more money in the game ... but at one momement i will  quit playing ..it's  not  okey ... to lose  all you invest only in one rigged thing .. :(

Zsolt Antal said:

my level it's 58  ...big mistake for me .... one day   one month ago  i was lossing a lot of troups and got higher and higher in level  .. that day i done all  the attack positions available  so it was the only  chamce to get something back... wanted to get an payout ... so i reached at 58  at at that moment all my army was decimate  ..had to  boughtg a lot of army to finish the level  57 position  ..and to get some payout ..to have    army to play

That's a big mistake. Your highest level will never give you a full payout. Your second highest is the key.

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

Zsolt Antal said:

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

they are in bank,so dont worry,you will get them as payout,but you need to learn how to play persians first,here is few basic rules:

1.persian position system is based on resources value(counts how much resources needed to build troops you loose on pp,timber+bronze+grain)

2.i dont use troops which are not build with resources,because they dont fill the bank(champion troops,heroes are not build with resources,dont send them on pp at all)

3.imperial troops also are not build with resources,i dont use imperial troops for pp at all

how to play pp:

1.first send 1 sword for off positions or 1 jav for def positions,just to see which persians are there

2.click on persian troop from report which dominate in that position,to see what are they weak off,if asvaran dominate,it is position for our phalanax,if immortal dominate,its for our horses,if you send wrong troops you gonna need much more horses against asvaran then phalanax,proms or saris,same for def positions,phalanax are for against persian horses,and our horses are for against immortals

3.when you get some big payout,like 1000 agema,for next payout first you need to loose value of 1000 agema+20% intersest for bank,so its 1200 agema,and then you can get new big payout

4.you can hit 10 or more positions,until your bank is full,you wont get big payout,only partial payout

5.you cant get full payout from top positions,then 1 under top position

i play 1 bar system,i send troops to die on positions,but i dont finish positions,i leave 1 or few persians alive there,until my bank is full+20% interest,then i go for payout,when i get big payout,i finish all other 1 bar positions and get more troops,but to play 1 bar system you must have a lot troops you can loose,you must be patient and build troops for a long time,or to put money in game and buy troops or revive(that is what plarium wants,to make profit).if you play from 1 hit,you can easy loose all troops and after you dont have enough troops to play any position,and you will delete your account^^

i argue with cm and moderators long time here on forum,and i was banned many times,and i decided not to participate so much on forum,because moderators make me angry,but i want to help you to get your troops back,and to learn how to play persians

i will send you my email by msg,you send only "hello" on my mail and i will send you persian calculator,it works with excel,there you can read info and to learn how to use calculator and how to play pp,most important is to track what did you loose on pp,so you know where are you with your bank,bank=your last big payout(counted in resources value,you will understand all when you get persian calculator from me)

my advice is:

1.send 1 sword on top off position,on 1 under top position,and see which troops you need to build,then first send 20 phalanax or horses to see how much they gonna kill,then send few times more,until only few persians survive,then do same thing on other position,1 under top position,when you burn(kill almost all persians but not to finish position)top position and 1 under top position,with all you'v already lost on pp,what you said on your post,it should be enough so your bank is full,then finish that position under top lvl which you already almost finished,if you dont get big payout,then use those troops you got as partial payout and send them to die on new position under that,or better on 2 positions,you will get full payout,and you will get your troops back,but there are no imperial troops as payout,that is 1 reason more why i dont use them for pp^^

you can burn positions with lights and heavy's,but you will need much more troops and they have smaller value 

when you get big payout,take a screenshot of report and save it on hdd,so you know what is your bank for next time you play persians

ps never go for payout on top position,after you get big payout,then finish top position if you burned it before

all in all,pp is all about resources value,you need to invest first your last big payout+20% bank interest and you get big reward after,only resources value is important,elixiers,general stuff,10,20,50% power boosters are not helping,because you will only kill more persians,and spend money,but you wont get big payout until your bank is full+interest,thats why i turn off all elixiers,all general stuff when i burn troops

english is not my language,i hope you understand what i want to explain to you,when you read info in calculator,you wont need any help from anyone,i hope i helped you

missy Alyona,since this is my 666th post,the number of the beast,maybe i am now evil enough and qualified to came on your dark side^^

Tonaya 

Tonaya said:

2.i dont use troops which are not build with resources,because they dont fill the bank(champion troops,heroes are not build with resources,dont send them on pp at all)

3.imperial troops also are not build with resources,i dont use imperial troops for pp at all

I call out ANYONE who claims that Imperial Troops have no value in PPs to either produce proof or keep quite!!

In an adult conversation, one does not make statements without ANY proof or at least without saying "I believe" or "in my own experience".. it's quite arrogant. 

Please, no childish replies like "if you don't believe me, blah blah"..

Zsolt Antal said:

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

Yup. We could say that players are just relying on probability if they're not recording the track of their hits. But you can use a spreadsheet file to keep a record to make it exact. Tonaya is offering you his.

Tonaya said:

i play 1 bar system,i send troops to die on positions,but i dont finish positions,i leave 1 or few persians alive there,until my bank is full+20% interest,then i go for payout,when i get big payout,i finish all other 1 bar positions and get more troops,but to play 1 bar system you must have a lot troops you can loose,you must be patient and build troops for a long time,or to put money in game and buy troops or revive(that is what plarium wants,to make profit).if you play from 1 hit,you can easy loose all troops and after you dont have enough troops to play any position,and you will delete your account^^

http://prntscr.com/f03afn

Kakos said:

Tonaya said:

2.i dont use troops which are not build with resources,because they dont fill the bank(champion troops,heroes are not build with resources,dont send them on pp at all)

3.imperial troops also are not build with resources,i dont use imperial troops for pp at all

I call out ANYONE who claims that Imperial Troops have no value in PPs to either produce proof or keep quite!!

In an adult conversation, one does not make statements without ANY proof or at least without saying "I believe" or "in my own experience".. it's quite arrogant. 

Please, no childish replies like "if you don't believe me, blah blah"..

 
 

Kakos,i dont care what you want or dont want.i think imperial troops have no value on pp,because they are not made with resources,there are no imperial troops in persian calculator,i lost all imperial troops from missions,thinking they have same value as regular troops,i use persian calculator all the time,and i track each troop i use on pp,and i didnt got payout then,until i didnt burn same amount of regular troops,and then i got big payout.also,my pole talk with Abu(ex hob),he said imperial troops have no value on pp,if you dont know who is Abu,look on rankings,here it is:

http://prntscr.com/f03cr7

here is value from calculator for each troop:

http://prntscr.com/f03d75

did you see imperial troop in calculator?

if you read my posts,i argue with Alyona almost a year about that,you can find her answer,that she never claimed imperial troops have same value as regular troops,somewhere above zero,but she is sure that every troops have certain value on pp.....

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/news-and-announcements/21044_imperial-class-units--now-available-as-part-of-special-offers-and-campaign-missions-/2/

also,i did ask from Alyona,to bring one game developer on forum just to tell us:do imperial troops have same value as regular troops or not.

she ignored that.

so you believe what you want,i wont tell you what to believe.i dont use imperial troops on pp,because i think they dont have any value for bank,because they are not made with resources and pp system calculate troops value by resources,and i am not the only one who dont play pp with imperial troops.

you play how you want,i dont care,i said how i play to player who complain he lost a lot troops and didnt get payout,and i gived him my mail and 10 min ago sended him persian calculator.

i am adult too,maybe you can give us some proof where we can see  imperial troops value?

Tonaya