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Aug 23, 2022, 14:0908/23/22
10/15/20
869

How lucky do you tend to be on x2 speed?

Just curious how much energy people burn on these events?

I tend to burn all my gems on this, - so far up to 6k energy used, i have  had just  2 pieces of speed gear with speed  to roll so far and they rolled poorly.

I guess if i was burning 40k, 50k energy i would see the benefits of the event more, does anyone do that?

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Aug 23, 2022, 14:1208/23/22
06/25/20
6640

Well, rather, I expect you have only two pieces of speed gear with speed that were also 6*, since I expect you probably also autosold your 5* gear?

If not, that's some pretty terrible luck :)

Aug 23, 2022, 14:3208/23/22
12/19/19
6295

I am going to go with a wild guess that you need to be half as lucky as you do outside of the 2x ;)

I burn no gems or mailbox refills on any dungeon tournament unless I randomly in position to win IG due to lack of interest by others lol.

I'm not sure speed artifacts are all that important anymore. Perception is a far superior set imo for all but a handful of champs.

Aug 23, 2022, 14:4508/23/22
06/25/20
6640
Trips

I am going to go with a wild guess that you need to be half as lucky as you do outside of the 2x ;)

I burn no gems or mailbox refills on any dungeon tournament unless I randomly in position to win IG due to lack of interest by others lol.

I'm not sure speed artifacts are all that important anymore. Perception is a far superior set imo for all but a handful of champs.

I'd argue all but one, really. Arbiter. Pretty much the only person I'd go out of my way to gear with 3x speed.

Aug 23, 2022, 16:2408/23/22
07/15/20
144

I'm a big swift parry fan but I'm in the race for the boots and some other random stuff. 

I've been playing it since it started and zero speed boots so far. 

Speed boots with speed  and some more speed on sub is a mirage so far....

But it is what it is 😕

Aug 23, 2022, 16:3408/23/22
12/19/19
6295
AzuraWrath

I'm a big swift parry fan but I'm in the race for the boots and some other random stuff. 

I've been playing it since it started and zero speed boots so far. 

Speed boots with speed  and some more speed on sub is a mirage so far....

But it is what it is 😕

No such think as speed main and sub...


Aug 23, 2022, 16:3908/23/22
12/19/19
6295
kramaswamy.kr

I'd argue all but one, really. Arbiter. Pretty much the only person I'd go out of my way to gear with 3x speed.

Siphi and duchess moreso than arbiter.  I'd rather have arbiter with accuracy in perception, think she will still be useful on B/C hydra teams.  But my arbiter is still 2 speed sets and 1 perception, and thats probably enough acc for hard hydra, maybe brutal. 


Aug 23, 2022, 17:4008/23/22
Aug 23, 2022, 17:42(edited)
10/15/20
869
Trips

I am going to go with a wild guess that you need to be half as lucky as you do outside of the 2x ;)

I burn no gems or mailbox refills on any dungeon tournament unless I randomly in position to win IG due to lack of interest by others lol.

I'm not sure speed artifacts are all that important anymore. Perception is a far superior set imo for all but a handful of champs.

I love perception, but still use speed gear.

I get what you mean about its importance being reduced however.

As for arbiter, siphi and duchess- i have arbiter pure speed and never use her on DT, dont have a siphi, and duchess is in full stoneskin as i use her arena. 

Oh i dont auto sell my 5* gear if its legendary with desired substats i will roll it 


Aug 23, 2022, 18:1708/23/22
09/14/20
988

I rate myself that unlucky, that I do not really runmore dungeons during x2 events..

Aug 24, 2022, 05:1508/24/22
02/11/22
533

I was gonna write a piece about this, but since you started it, I'll enlighten you, if you can bare the boring math for a minute or two.

So you're looking for the prized legendary 6* speed boots from the speed set ya? Hey who isn't? We could also talk about the real Holy Grail of them all, that same piece but with Crit rate, Crit Damage, Accuracy and any of the % stat, you'll fit them on the appropriate champ... but this is a dream within a dream, so let's stick to the more accessible, any Lego 6* boots with speed on speed set.

Accessible? You think so? WRONG! Here are your chances, say at dragon 20 cuz we're talking accessible for every player, right?

1) Do 6 runs, you get one pair of boots

2) Do 7 sets of #1, you'll eventually get one pair of boots with Speed on them. We're at 42 runs

3) Do #2 13.33x, so that you get a legendary drop of those same boots. We're now at 560 runs

4) Repeat #3, 3.70x so that the piece actually is a 6* piece. We're now at 2071 runs.

5) And now, to top it all, you need them on the speed set.. crap, so how many more? Well, there's 9 sets, so without that sham 2x boost, you'll need 18,643 runs, at 16 energy each = 298,296 energy.

But hey, lucky you, we're in the 2x drop period, so your chances improve from 1 out of 9 to 2 out of 10. because they put one more speed set drop in the bag, giving 2 for speed and 1 for every other set. So this comes out to 1 in 5. So you'll need 10,357 runs or 165,720 energy.

Do you think you can run all those in 3 days? LOL nope. Without the boost, if your runs take about 3min each, stop reading this because you need to go in there and start farming right now, for the next 6 weeks, non-stop, 24 hours a day.

Good Luck!


Aug 24, 2022, 05:4708/24/22
Aug 24, 2022, 05:53(edited)
06/20/19
2181
Swiftblade

I was gonna write a piece about this, but since you started it, I'll enlighten you, if you can bare the boring math for a minute or two.

So you're looking for the prized legendary 6* speed boots from the speed set ya? Hey who isn't? We could also talk about the real Holy Grail of them all, that same piece but with Crit rate, Crit Damage, Accuracy and any of the % stat, you'll fit them on the appropriate champ... but this is a dream within a dream, so let's stick to the more accessible, any Lego 6* boots with speed on speed set.

Accessible? You think so? WRONG! Here are your chances, say at dragon 20 cuz we're talking accessible for every player, right?

1) Do 6 runs, you get one pair of boots

2) Do 7 sets of #1, you'll eventually get one pair of boots with Speed on them. We're at 42 runs

3) Do #2 13.33x, so that you get a legendary drop of those same boots. We're now at 560 runs

4) Repeat #3, 3.70x so that the piece actually is a 6* piece. We're now at 2071 runs.

5) And now, to top it all, you need them on the speed set.. crap, so how many more? Well, there's 9 sets, so without that sham 2x boost, you'll need 18,643 runs, at 16 energy each = 298,296 energy.

But hey, lucky you, we're in the 2x drop period, so your chances improve from 1 out of 9 to 2 out of 10. because they put one more speed set drop in the bag, giving 2 for speed and 1 for every other set. So this comes out to 1 in 5. So you'll need 10,357 runs or 165,720 energy.

Do you think you can run all those in 3 days? LOL nope. Without the boost, if your runs take about 3min each, stop reading this because you need to go in there and start farming right now, for the next 6 weeks, non-stop, 24 hours a day.

Good Luck!


So, by your math, if 10,357 players run Dragon20 during a 2x speed drop, 1 of them will get said boots on the very first run at a expenditure of only 16 energy.  Another will get them on the second run for only 32 energy. And so on.  And only one would have to do the entirety of all those runs.  (On average of course.)  Not very likely I admit, but someone has to have them.  And the tiny boost of 2x becomes rather significant the more factors that must be considered.  Your math shows the difference of 18,643 runs reduced to 10,357 runs.  That's a 44.4% reduction In the number of runs needed (and in energy and time).  The other thing to point out is that, on average, the number of runs needed to get the boots would be the mean of the numbers stated, or 9,322 verses 5,179.  Still very large numbers, but still much better chances with the 2x.

edit: I'm personally not spending time there this time.

Aug 24, 2022, 05:5908/24/22
02/11/22
533

You misunderstood something. Those numbers i gave WERE the average number of runs needed. 100 players run 18,643x Dragon 20, fifty of them will get the boots before this total, and fifty others will still be chasing them way past the total

Your chances, if taking in account a large pool of players, look like 1 in 60, if you "complete" the tournament, meaning that you score 2750-3000 points during the 3-day session. 1 lucky guy, 59 not so much.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:0408/24/22
02/11/22
533

These numbers look big, but of course, I referred to the BIG PRIZE. If your intention is simply to acquire ANY 6* speed set speed boots, divide all those atrocious numbers by 13.33 because any rare, epic or legendary will do in this case. Which still translates to about 777 runs during 2x, on average of course. Could take YOU a thousand runs or more and me 500 or even less, this is what that means.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:0708/24/22
02/11/22
533

LOL, of course, just got a speed boots legendary 6*.... guess what? haha nope, better luck next time, Myabe i'll use an ore on these, hell why not?


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Aug 24, 2022, 06:2308/24/22
Aug 24, 2022, 06:27(edited)
06/20/19
2181

You're not presenting these numbers as average number of runs needed.  In your step 1) you state do six runs, get 1 pair of boots.  The average number of runs to get a pair of boots is 3.5.  Half of players would have a pair of boots by the 3rd run, not the sixth.  Your math proceeds from there.  But that's not really the point.  No one is saying it's not huge numbers.  But you failed to compare the numbers with and without the 2x.  You put up a huge number without the 2x, then you put up a huge number with the 2x.  Then you concluded they were both huge numbers without comparing the 2 and left it at that.  

What it means is that grinding for speed gear is 44.4% less resource intensive withe the 2x (less runs, time, and energy).  And that holds whether your looking for the holy grail or any piece of speed gear.  Looking for 6* or 4*, legendary or rare, or anything inbetween doesn't matter.  That percentage stays the same.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:2408/24/22
06/20/19
2181
Swiftblade

LOL, of course, just got a speed boots legendary 6*.... guess what? haha nope, better luck next time, Myabe i'll use an ore on these, hell why not?


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Lol might as well use the ore.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:2508/24/22
04/24/22
813

can always use the chaos ore for the telerian trial champ training event to reroll them ? Who knows , you might luck out ! :)

Aug 24, 2022, 06:2508/24/22
10/15/20
869

Funnily enough i rolled 6* epic speed boots this morning with crit rate on them  (not quite lego but close) ... they triple rolled defence % instead of crit rate, but i can find a use for them

Agree the multiple layers of RNG make your chances low.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:3108/24/22
02/11/22
533

How do you figure that? If you do 60 runs, you will get 10 boots, if you do 6000, you will get 1000 boots

By saying the average number is 3.5 you're implying you're about twice as likely to get boots as any other piece.

The numbers i gave were reduced to the average number of runs you need to do to get anything in particular, over a large set of runs.

When you talk about one particular instance possible amongst thousands, you cannot simplify it as "well, one player will get it on the first try". Maybe that's so, but one player will run it 100 thousand times and still not get them. All those numbers above were averages. Not total numbers for guaranteed results. But it gives you an idea. If you dont run these kinds of totals, you cannot reasonably expect to get the best items.

Aug 24, 2022, 06:4508/24/22
05/09/22
42

I try if I have the energy to do all tournaments n everything they will give me stuff for n the game all the quest every month week n advanced if I can the missions I'm at lvl 13 of the fire knight n 3 arena things up to lvl 5 been playing  2 n a half months  n during clan vs clan I will use 5000 energy a day my clan is level 5 n we always get a clan double our level n we beat 3 n lost our last 2 by like 50000 to 100000 both times I can run certain lvl n each dungeon section n 30 to 45 seconds n when im trying to beat a better clan I need all the speed I can 

Aug 24, 2022, 06:4608/24/22
02/11/22
533
trevor.wilson

Funnily enough i rolled 6* epic speed boots this morning with crit rate on them  (not quite lego but close) ... they triple rolled defence % instead of crit rate, but i can find a use for them

Agree the multiple layers of RNG make your chances low.

Well that's a pretty good piece, gg to you :P  (Don't use an ore on those!!! haha)