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Is SPD% bonus always lowered?

Is SPD% bonus always lowered?

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Aug 5, 2022, 17:2508/05/22
08/02/22
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Is SPD% bonus always lowered?

It's a well-known thing that actual speed is a floating point number and is rounded only on UI.

Another one well-known issue is that floating point calculations are not precise (sometimes your get a bit more, sometimes a bit less than expected)


I've done an experiment.

I took two champs with exactly 100 base speed. Then put a single art with +12 SPD on one of them and a single Speed Set with +12% SPD (without flat speed) on another one. I expected two equal champs with 112 speed, but the flat one always goes first. No matter what order they have in a team (the order does matter with equal speed). Same results with Perception set (+5%).


But with floating point numbers

100 * 0.12 is exactly 12

and

100 * 1.12 is greater than 112


Now I suspect that percentage bonus is always lowered. Just a bit, so I had like 111.999999 speed in my tests. But against a flat-geared guy on the arena it would work like a whole -1 speed.

It would change my considerations when gearing.

Can anyone confirm that it happens with all speed gaining sets?

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Aug 5, 2022, 17:2708/05/22
05/29/21
302

interesting. ty for the info.

dthorne04Moderator
Aug 5, 2022, 18:5308/05/22
12/30/20
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Sets affect fractional true speed numbers, as you can see here. :)

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https://deadwoodjedi.info/cb if you'd like to play around with that yourself. 

Aug 5, 2022, 18:5508/05/22
06/25/20
6640

However, with a base speed of 100, they shouldn't.

OP - I don't think there is any rounding for this. My guess is that the fallback if there is a tie is based on the position in your roster. If you swap the two around, do they swap turn orders as well?

Aug 5, 2022, 19:2908/05/22
08/02/22
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dthorne04

Sets affect fractional true speed numbers, as you can see here. :)

i

https://deadwoodjedi.info/cb if you'd like to play around with that yourself. 

I see. But this is a fan-made site that uses it's own empirical formula. We see numbers on the site not in the game. And according to their bugtracker it's not always perfect.

Aug 5, 2022, 19:5308/05/22
Aug 5, 2022, 19:54(edited)
08/02/22
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kramaswamy.kr

However, with a base speed of 100, they shouldn't.

OP - I don't think there is any rounding for this. My guess is that the fallback if there is a tie is based on the position in your roster. If you swap the two around, do they swap turn orders as well?

As I've noted with different bonuses the position doesn't matter. Flat bonus wins the race on any slot.

I also had a control group with the same type of bonus. In this case the game considers only the roaser slot order.