Why do you consider it strange that she is dying? Those stats are nowhere close to being able to tank the spiderlings on spider 20. The resist might be enough to avoid the poisons, but you'll get instakilled by the queen's attacks, if you even survive the spiderling attacks. Versulf would be a much better candidate for tanking the spiderlings, and provides your team with valuable buffs. Here's what I'd build:
[Someone]: DEF down + weaken - I don't see Fayne, but maybe you just haven't leveled her? She's perfect. Other good candidates include Rugnor Goldgleam, Venus, Draco, and Lydia
Renegade
Coldheart
Coldheart
Versulf - eventually dump him in favour of Royal Guard when you get him
I see this one differently. We definitely want Crypt-King Graal in there because he can do both the AOE HP burn + freeze, after. He can pretty much do everything himself with a tank/provoker helping out, or we could even use someone like Versulf as an off affinity tank to draw all the spiderlings in while Graal/CH/CH/Renegade do all the work.
I think I'd personally go Graal/Achak/CH/CH/Renegade, spiderlings (and spider) should never take a turn and we have a Spider 20 (and further) farming team. Achak is off affinity here but I don't think that's too big of a deal given how this team should work.
Whichever route you end up going, Graal/CH/CH/Renegade is your play for Spider 20.
I see this one differently. We definitely want Crypt-King Graal in there because he can do both the AOE HP burn + freeze, after. He can pretty much do everything himself with a tank/provoker helping out, or we could even use someone like Versulf as an off affinity tank to draw all the spiderlings in while Graal/CH/CH/Renegade do all the work.
I think I'd personally go Graal/Achak/CH/CH/Renegade, spiderlings (and spider) should never take a turn and we have a Spider 20 (and further) farming team. Achak is off affinity here but I don't think that's too big of a deal given how this team should work.
Whichever route you end up going, Graal/CH/CH/Renegade is your play for Spider 20.
I've tried CKG on these, but he's just not reliable unless he's fully booked, and that's a tough sell for such a niche champ.
With Versulf instead, you have a perfect target for the spiderlings, and that leaves you time to get two CH A3's off, which'll kill the queen.
How far away are you (the OP) from Drexthar? He is a fantastic tank for Spider 20, as he puts hp burn on the Spiderlings while getting attacked. With tank and hp-burn champion in one, you have a free spot in your team for healing or tm reduce.
Drex, Scyl, Coldheart, Armiger, Stag Knight should do it without problems.
I've tried CKG on these, but he's just not reliable unless he's fully booked, and that's a tough sell for such a niche champ.
With Versulf instead, you have a perfect target for the spiderlings, and that leaves you time to get two CH A3's off, which'll kill the queen.
I can buy this argument. There are objectively better leggos to book (on this account as well, looking at Brogni and Salad if not booked) but I think getting spider 20-25 sorted ASAP is always a good idea.
I would be curious to see if OP has any weaken champions, or anything else in the vault.
i use to use sinesha as my spiderling tank for sdpiders 20 but your stats for her to reheal enough dont seem high enough at a glance and unsure if main reason shes struggling
from memory i had mine built to hit hard back off the mastery if lose % of your health chance to counter attack - that was the key to my sinesha performing her job well
obviously my gear was better than yours but she was able to withstand what i needed and hit hard back at the same time - i had her built to b my campaign farmer before i tweaked her a little to spiders 20
I gave Dthorne04 an upvote because what he said is the ideal team.
Graal / Achak / 2x Cold H. / Renegade
You would have to book Graal HP Burn move.
That team would win with out a doubt.
Another option you have if you don't want to book Graal would be to remove Renegade.
Graal / Tank Flex Spot / Brogni / 2x Cold H.
The team with out renegade would be slower, but it should win.
Other than Fayne (who could be hiding somewhere, since OP has 135 champs outside the vault), I think they're unlikely to have the other options you listed for weaken/def down.
Also think there's a pretty darn good chance that even unbooked Graal with Achak should make that team pretty consistent, now that I think about it a little more.
Let me start by saying I am not overthinking the situation like Kramaswamy is saying.
The situation is very clear to me.
[DEF Down & Weaken Hero] + 2x CH + Renegade + Food use to be Spider 20 Meta.
If you had right heroes + right gear, you could win the fight with 4 heroes.
The 5th hero didn't matter and players just added a lvl 1 food Hero.
The only time the 5th hero mattered is when you didn't have the right heroes or gear.
A long time ago, The game had 400-500 total heroes.
Out of those 400-500 heroes only 3 did DEF Down & Weaken.
- Dracomorph
- Venus
- Spider
Those were the only ones at the time.
If you didn't have 1 of those specific heroes, You had to add a 5th hero who contributed.
So your set up would be following:
1 hero doing -> DEF Down
2 hero doing -> Weaken
3 & 4 hero --> Coldheart
5th hero -----> Renegade
Now the OP posted his roster.
I didn't see a single hero on his rooster who does DEF Down & Weaken.
With out a single hero doing DEF Down & Weaken, You can't make 4 man team.
You would have to make a 5 man team.
The 5 man team would be:
[DEF Down Hero] + [Weaken Hero] + 2x CH + Renegade
Now that you understand this you can understand why I didn't upvote Kramaswamy.
Kramaswamy suggestion is simply not viable.
The set up isn't viable because I don't SEE the OP owning 1 hero who does both DEF Down & Weaken.
This means the OP will need 2 heroes providing each Debuff.
This means the OP doesn't have the Luxury of using Versulf.
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Now some people reading might wonder why did I give Dthorne04 an upvote when his set up doesn't have DEF Down or Weaken.
The reason why is because Dthorne04 set up is the Spider Stage 25 Meta set up.
It is the evolutionary set up created by players to counter the New Spider Skills.
The game created New Skills for the Spider starting from Stage 21 to 25.
The New Skills prevent Max Enemy Nukers from doing more than 10% damage.
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Spider has like 5 Mil Health.
Stage 20:
One Coldheart can do 2 mil Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
Two Coldheart can do 4 mil Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
Than they add Renegade or Prince Kymar to reset the above 2 Coldhearts.
If One Coldheart dies due to Spiderlings, The Spare Coldheart finishes with another 2 mil
This makes a total of 6 mil Damage which kills the Mother Spider at 5 Mil Health.
Spider has like 5 Mil Health.
Stage 21 to 25
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with only DEF Down.
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with only Weaken.
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with no DEF Down & Weaken
Why? Because it is capped due to New Skill
What this means is DEF Down & Weaken are not needed as much.
What you need is more damage.
The damage will come from HP Burn.
Let me start by saying I am not overthinking the situation like Kramaswamy is saying.
The situation is very clear to me.
[DEF Down & Weaken Hero] + 2x CH + Renegade + Food use to be Spider 20 Meta.
If you had right heroes + right gear, you could win the fight with 4 heroes.
The 5th hero didn't matter and players just added a lvl 1 food Hero.
The only time the 5th hero mattered is when you didn't have the right heroes or gear.
A long time ago, The game had 400-500 total heroes.
Out of those 400-500 heroes only 3 did DEF Down & Weaken.
- Dracomorph
- Venus
- Spider
Those were the only ones at the time.
If you didn't have 1 of those specific heroes, You had to add a 5th hero who contributed.
So your set up would be following:
1 hero doing -> DEF Down
2 hero doing -> Weaken
3 & 4 hero --> Coldheart
5th hero -----> Renegade
Now the OP posted his roster.
I didn't see a single hero on his rooster who does DEF Down & Weaken.
With out a single hero doing DEF Down & Weaken, You can't make 4 man team.
You would have to make a 5 man team.
The 5 man team would be:
[DEF Down Hero] + [Weaken Hero] + 2x CH + Renegade
Now that you understand this you can understand why I didn't upvote Kramaswamy.
Kramaswamy suggestion is simply not viable.
The set up isn't viable because I don't SEE the OP owning 1 hero who does both DEF Down & Weaken.
This means the OP will need 2 heroes providing each Debuff.
This means the OP doesn't have the Luxury of using Versulf.
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Now some people reading might wonder why did I give Dthorne04 an upvote when his set up doesn't have DEF Down or Weaken.
The reason why is because Dthorne04 set up is the Spider Stage 25 Meta set up.
It is the evolutionary set up created by players to counter the New Spider Skills.
The game created New Skills for the Spider starting from Stage 21 to 25.
The New Skills prevent Max Enemy Nukers from doing more than 10% damage.
----------------------------
Spider has like 5 Mil Health.
Stage 20:
One Coldheart can do 2 mil Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
Two Coldheart can do 4 mil Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
Than they add Renegade or Prince Kymar to reset the above 2 Coldhearts.
If One Coldheart dies due to Spiderlings, The Spare Coldheart finishes with another 2 mil
This makes a total of 6 mil Damage which kills the Mother Spider at 5 Mil Health.
Spider has like 5 Mil Health.
Stage 21 to 25
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with DEF Down & Weaken
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with only DEF Down.
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with only Weaken.
One Coldheart can do 400k Damage with no DEF Down & Weaken
Why? Because it is capped due to New Skill
What this means is DEF Down & Weaken are not needed as much.
What you need is more damage.
The damage will come from HP Burn.
Really just 3 def down and weaken champ ?
- Dracomorph
- Venus
- Spider
What about Rhazin Scarhide A2 ?
Really just 3 def down and weaken champ ?
- Dracomorph
- Venus
- Spider
What about Rhazin Scarhide A2 ?
Their was a time when Rhazin wasn't a fusion & Rhazin use to attack a spiderling with his A2 due to his bad AI.
But that was a long time ago
We have more heroes in the game now.
I was just talking about the strategy used back in time.