Plarium,
If you want to fix the arena problem you need to increase the team power rating contributions from speed. High silver / low gold tier with 300+ speed tuned teams at or below team power of 115?
Speed should have more of a team power impact that Resistance or Crit Damage in my opinion.
Your silly decisions are slowly killing the enjoyment from this game.
Why is this an issue? Can't you process that lower power teams are usually fast? It's easy to identify the speed teams.
Because the veterans like to hide them, and for Plarium it makes it easier for them to sell speed sets and glyphs...
Why is this an issue? Can't you process that lower power teams are usually fast? It's easy to identify the speed teams.
Speed kills - why isn't it a larger factor in team power? Simple as that.
AND - it would help the match-making algorithm for Bronze and Silver immensely - all those Arbiter teams would be high-speed and wouldn't match against a nubie trying to progress in Bronze and Silver.
This isn't about me "getting gud dude", this is about the right thing for the game to stem the attrition of new to mid-game players leaving in frustration.
The OP is completely right about this. Speed is the most important factor in an arena team, so it should be the largest contributor to arena team power.
Agreed on speed contributing more to overall team power.
smh....
If you think changing the power calculation to include speed makes any sense you are likely struggling and will continue regardless of any changes to arena. I would recommend finding a less strategic game more in the "collection" genre.
smh....
If you think changing the power calculation to include speed makes any sense you are likely struggling and will continue regardless of any changes to arena. I would recommend finding a less strategic game more in the "collection" genre.
Again, the experienced players can and will adjust to the power calculation. This change would help to insulate the NEW and MID-GAME players from running into Arbiter speed-comps before they're even in Gold tier.
Please try to think. This is for the betterment of the game.
PS - my day job is managing IT teams in developing and improving data-analytics dashboards and reports fed by 5+ years of relational data-cubes.
Again, the experienced players can and will adjust to the power calculation. This change would help to insulate the NEW and MID-GAME players from running into Arbiter speed-comps before they're even in Gold tier.
Please try to think. This is for the betterment of the game.
PS - my day job is managing IT teams in developing and improving data-analytics dashboards and reports fed by 5+ years of relational data-cubes.
I would stick to IT and leave the analytics to those more qualified
I would stick to IT and leave the analytics to those more qualified
Wow - articulate adult counter-point. "I'm rubber, you're glue, bounces of me, and sticks on you" - grow up silly fan-boi.
I feel like your Title is a trick question.
"Why isn't Speed a Bigger Factor in team power rating?"
Isn't the answer "Because Speed doesn't really do anything?"
I can build a lvl 30 hero to have 250 Speed.
250 Speed would be fast enough to go before some Arena Players.
What is my lvl 30 hero going to do vs. enemy?
Give them a big hug?
He has 250 Speed.
He went before Enemy Team.
He isn't considered a Threat.
The Debuffer is a Threat.
The Nuker is a Threat.
The game gives more power to heroes which have threating qualities.
I feel like your Title is a trick question.
"Why isn't Speed a Bigger Factor in team power rating?"
Isn't the answer "Because Speed doesn't really do anything?"
I can build a lvl 30 hero to have 250 Speed.
250 Speed would be fast enough to go before some Arena Players.
What is my lvl 30 hero going to do vs. enemy?
Give them a big hug?
He has 250 Speed.
He went before Enemy Team.
He isn't considered a Threat.
The Debuffer is a Threat.
The Nuker is a Threat.
The game gives more power to heroes which have threating qualities.
That is actually a very good point, and arguably gives a good way of handling it. Speed should be treated as a power *multiplier*, rather than being additive. If you have a poorly geared champ with high speed, you'll still have a low power rating.
@Player J
Exactly the strategy several experienced players are using - creating trap teams of 1-2 champs below level 60 - Speed into Speed into Debuff into one max nuker.
Total team power is less than 115k. New players and mid-game players trying to progress and to climb into Gold tier can't compete with that.
Make speed add +1 to team power for every 3 points of speed +/- and it might balance out.
I feel like your Title is a trick question.
"Why isn't Speed a Bigger Factor in team power rating?"
Isn't the answer "Because Speed doesn't really do anything?"
I can build a lvl 30 hero to have 250 Speed.
250 Speed would be fast enough to go before some Arena Players.
What is my lvl 30 hero going to do vs. enemy?
Give them a big hug?
He has 250 Speed.
He went before Enemy Team.
He isn't considered a Threat.
The Debuffer is a Threat.
The Nuker is a Threat.
The game gives more power to heroes which have threating qualities.
"speed doesn't do anything"
In other threads, "clearly your team needs speed speed speed!"
"speed doesn't do anything"
In other threads, "clearly your team needs speed speed speed!"
Depends on what threads your looking at.
Some threads I say Resist, Resist, Resist
Other threads I might say Defense, Defense, Defense
Depends on what threads your looking at.
Some threads I say Resist, Resist, Resist
Other threads I might say Defense, Defense, Defense
Yeah... Never saw those on your arena threads, just speed speed speed.
As to others that question why Plarium will never put speed at equal weight to player power formula, It's as simple as how speed is calculated in the power formula, allows them to hide at lower groups, that's one of the reason why speed meta is successfull, it allows them to avoid the high def high res teams early on, which are on contrast being highlighted by their huge team power numbers.
A 70k team power speed team would maybe equal to a 140k def/res team, so it boosted their ego hence making it easier for plarium to sell speed stuffs, making it as if it doesn't really add up to anything but it will allow people to tackle bigger number teams, a simple ego booster to entice people to buy stuffs. Seriously have anyone noticed how much more expensive a pack is ifnit contains a speed glyph in it?
That's why Plarium wouldn't change how speed is calculated.
simple answer: None of Raid Shadow Legend's designers know speed is such important till players prove that (about one year later).
How come game designers do not know their games well ? none of today games are made from scratch, developer buy a game engine, adding scenes, models and they look up, look down, look left, look right, look like this game, look like that game ...
I dont know why are you stressing out about arbitary number such as Player power or Champion power.
It is designed as an rough indicator of a player power and is just prevalent in bronze and silver tier of Arena for matchmaking as of recent update. Other than that, you dont have missions that require to obtain certain power to pass it or any power requirements in the game.
Your speed team of 150k power can beat resistance team of 300k power because your carry is stacked with crit dmg and your Serris has 500+ accuracy? Good for you.
Your 200k team with everyone having mere 200 resistance and no speed or a bad comp overall is losing to speed team of 90k power? I think you should change something.
My two cents are, focus on what works for you and dont triffle with arbitary numbers such as power. :)
I actually dont want them to do this.
Why? because if speed is part of the metric i have no way of knowing if a team is fast.
Right now, if a team is under 120k power i know its going to be super quick.
I dont know why are you stressing out about arbitary number such as Player power or Champion power.
It is designed as an rough indicator of a player power and is just prevalent in bronze and silver tier of Arena for matchmaking as of recent update. Other than that, you dont have missions that require to obtain certain power to pass it or any power requirements in the game.
Your speed team of 150k power can beat resistance team of 300k power because your carry is stacked with crit dmg and your Serris has 500+ accuracy? Good for you.
Your 200k team with everyone having mere 200 resistance and no speed or a bad comp overall is losing to speed team of 90k power? I think you should change something.
My two cents are, focus on what works for you and dont triffle with arbitary numbers such as power. :)
Do me a favor and tell Plarium that, because the official position is that power is a great indicator.
Its just a metric thats there and serves as an indicator. There isnt really emphasis that power is concise indicator of strength and there always have been cases where lower power beat higher power simply because of a better composition or faster team.
We could also argue in math why is 2+2=4 or why is root of -1 i and not some other letter. Formula for champion power works as it does, and given that no matter how much you try to tweak it, it will never ever be 100% accurate indicator of actual power. There simply isnt need to change the formula and invest time in reworking it as you ll never get formula that makes power absolute indicator of strength. There are just way too many variables.
And even with that power working the way it does, it can still tell you quite a bit.
120k power player in gold 4 with blender comp? He probably has 320+ speed Arbiter.
300+k power team with Krisk and 2-3 healers and revivers? He probably has 400-500 resistance on all champions and 3-4k defense, just designed to be unkillable unless you can on pass accuracy check and one shot them.
