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May 15, 2021, 04:4705/15/21
02/12/21
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Paragon

Hi Guys, 

I tried to use Paragon for Spider, but it doesn´t work as the spiders attacking the rest of my team instead of him. Doesn´t work the unkillable trick anymore? Or is there anything  else I need to consider. 

Thanks!


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BratcatModerator
May 15, 2021, 09:1205/15/21
04/10/20
12

   Hi for the paragon cheese trick to work make sure paragon only has 151 speed on him.  He doesn't need any added hp or def. You can also try using him in the leader position.  If you other champs health drops too low the spiders will end up attacking them instead so watch out for that.  Hopefully this helps.

May 15, 2021, 09:1305/15/21
04/14/20
1343

Everybody else needs to have at least 3x more HP than Paragon - which is why it's easier if you keep him low level. He does need to be booked for perfect uptime on his unkillable, obviously, and generally you'll have to fight manually to make sure he keeps the unkillable on himself. 

May 17, 2021, 11:5205/17/21
02/12/21
51

Thanks for the answers. The weekend was long and I had not time answer. 

However, Paragon is booked and its clear that I need to play him manually. However, the speed is 151 and higher or accurate 151? I guess higher is also ok?! 

The other trigger is HP, understood. 3x higher than Paragon, shouldn´t be a problem to find some Champs

May 18, 2021, 19:5105/18/21
02/12/21
51

Still  have  problems,  is  the  151  Speed  an  accurate  value  I  need  to  go  for?

BratcatModerator
May 18, 2021, 20:1905/18/21
04/10/20
12

151 is the minimum speed you will need in order for your champion to move first against the spiderlings on spider 20.   

May 21, 2023, 17:0305/21/23
09/30/22
6

Trying for the Paragon(lvl30, minimal gear, has speed) cheese myself but he keeps passing Unkillable instead of rebuffing. Killing Mordecai in the process... (2 Coldhearts  Arminger)

Ideas?? Any help is appreciated!

harleQuinnModerator
May 21, 2023, 17:4605/21/23
02/24/19
7975
Fullstrong

Trying for the Paragon(lvl30, minimal gear, has speed) cheese myself but he keeps passing Unkillable instead of rebuffing. Killing Mordecai in the process... (2 Coldhearts  Arminger)

Ideas?? Any help is appreciated!

Is he not weak enough that other champs are being targeted PRIOR to him passing Unkillable?

May 21, 2023, 19:1105/21/23
May 21, 2023, 19:13(edited)
09/30/22
6

Paragon maintains the attention with Unkillable but when it's about to expire it's passed to a different champ(even though no one else has dropped HP). Curious as to why that is cause he IS the weakest on the team. All other champs are 3X or more above his HP level... 

Any thoughts?

May 21, 2023, 19:1405/21/23
10/01/22
463
Fullstrong

Paragon maintains the attention with Unkillable but when it's about to expire it's passed to a different champ(even though no one else has dropped HP). Curious as to why that is cause he IS the weakest on the team. All other champs are 3X or more above his HP level... 

Any thoughts?

iv never tried the paragon cheese method before but the only thing i could think is perhaps que order might effect who he chooses to focus it on? bit like counter attack maybe.

May 21, 2023, 19:2005/21/23
09/30/22
6

 The mechanics of the team is KILLER! (although i don't have Renegade) I've tried tweaking the Q order but it just passes to that Q position no matter the champ that's in it...

 This is highly frustrating as it' the lvl20 spider auto quest to get to Arbiter-Lol! 

harleQuinnModerator
May 21, 2023, 19:4405/21/23
May 21, 2023, 19:45(edited)
02/24/19
7975
Fullstrong

Paragon maintains the attention with Unkillable but when it's about to expire it's passed to a different champ(even though no one else has dropped HP). Curious as to why that is cause he IS the weakest on the team. All other champs are 3X or more above his HP level... 

Any thoughts?

I'll check into this and get back to you. It's been 2-3 years since I looked this team, and never used it personally or in a takeover build.

@ShortOnSkillz Have you done this one for anyone before?

ShortOnSkillzModerator
May 21, 2023, 19:4805/21/23
06/24/19
2446
harleQuinn

I'll check into this and get back to you. It's been 2-3 years since I looked this team, and never used it personally or in a takeover build.

@ShortOnSkillz Have you done this one for anyone before?

Nope.  I do know the 3x Paragon HP requirement for the other champs.  Also I'm gonna assume no one is weak affinity.

May 21, 2023, 19:4905/21/23
09/30/22
6

Thought timing might be an issue... Nope. It just passes to the #2 Q position regardless.

The team worked great getting to 20 but yeah... The only lvl. 20 that's givin me hell-

May 21, 2023, 19:5305/21/23
09/30/22
6

Mordecai is a weak affinity on lvl 20...