Not to rain on the parade or anything, but why would they do that rather than let you spend hundreds or thousands of dollars more to build new dungeon teams? They run a glorified casino in which they don't even have to pay the winners anything. I think the SS Ethical has set sail quite a while ago.

Well if this is the business model then I will not be spending another dime. I imagine others would feel the same way. Why would people do so if at any point their investment can be stripped away?

I'm confused.

I thought the changes to Max Enemy HP on Dungeons was only for Stages 21 to 25.

Are you saying they are changing Stage 1 to 20 as well?

I believe you are correct but I wouldnt have built the champions knowing I would stop using them at level 20. Hundreds of dollars for a silver farmer isnt really a good investment.

If they had changed existing levels, I would have probably complained just as loudly. But since the changes only apply to the new, more difficult levels, I don't think it's unfair. I think it's totally reasonable that we'd need to make more specific and refined teams to handle harder difficulties.

I will say it's unfortunate for my specific dungeon farming teams, since I use Alure on IG and FK, and she'll be almost completely useless for 21-25. Same goes for my spider team, since the max HP change will make those champs much less useful.

But I'm not upset about needing to change my teams around for those fights.

Alure will be even better for FK25.   My armiger TM reduction is the biggest nerf to me lol.  No septimus, rg or CH lol.  

I hope we are closer to a 5x or 10x speed button because of this, who is with me on this!  

Why would Alure be even better? They're making TM control capped on 21-25, and that's the entire reason to use her. If she can't shut down the boss from acting, she probably won't have any use at all - unless you're thinking of using multiple of them, in which case you're going to have a hard time on the waves.

She will be not be weak affinity on FK25, but "better" may not be the best choice.  Two alure might actually be the best strategy for me, build one in destroy for when Scarab comes back Magic in doomtower as well.  I have a second unleveled in vault.   

The biggest problem with running two Alure is that they have a really bad AI. When you're up against FK, if they both don't use their A1, you may end up not getting the TM properly controlled. They often switch to the A2 if they "think" that they don't need to use their A1s.

You are correct about Alure AI, it is beyond terrible

It's the most stupid way to nerf MAX HP based champs, which are now going to be basically useless.

And don't forget about the turn meter changes (also nerfs).

bye bye goes Coldheart, was nice using you. Or I guess... It's gonna be Vaultheart from now.

I think a x5 or x10 speed button would be really necessary. A Skip Battle would be even more preferrable, obtainable after running the stage 10 times successfully.

Otherwise the need of time to play this game is more than a 8 hour-job...and the new Dungeons especially with the increase in time do not really help...

Altogether, the patch is a real mess in my eyes....more time...supposedly no better rewards.

The new missions shall give charms and arena tokens...seriously? Those charms are already crap in DT...and arena tokens are just plain useless if you cannot advance to silver or gold stages, which are restricted by their own system of maximized users.

And imagine...for weeks and months there are people complaining about arena...3vs3 is the most hated/ignored feature....what are the odds, they actually add achievements in these areas to the new missions?

Reach Tag team Gold? End classic Platinum? So essentially 99.9% of the players will not be able to finish these missions? And that is called progress? If those suspicions are true? I call it a suicidial move 

How do you plan to get 2 Alure through the waves, which are even stronger than? 

With 3 support champs :)

Lol, not sure yet which ones. I am sure it will not be very fast runs though.

I agree with you on this...it will be a pain to run those. 5-6 Minute runs? or more like 7? For one artifact which most likely will not be even good? 

I thin it is the wrong direction Plarium is taking here and your proposal about higher speed buttons is a neccessity.

I don't think max hp damage heros will become useless. As far as I know, these attacks are only nerfed vs. bosses. But how long will take the fights vs. waves in lvl 25 dungeons without that mechanic, only using "normal" hit-damage? Royal Guard will still be a very usefull champ.

As this only affects 21-25 i am not sure why people are upset.

have you been to this forum before? lol

lol fair point

I do think fights will be even longer, and one thing i already hated was that doing thirty runs or whatever tied up your device for a good hour, it will be even worse now.

yes the time suck factor of this game is getting exponentially worse.