Obviously, team power is utterly useless in choosing opponents in arenas. Does it serve any purpose at all in the game?

Player power is important in a clan, so you can climb the leaderboard.

L9753 said:

jean said:

Obviously, team power is utterly useless in choosing opponents in arenas. Does it serve any purpose at all in the game?

It's not useless in choosing opponents, but you need to know a bit how to interpret it. Power rating is determined to a large extent by the resistance stat, for unclear reasons, as well as various champions' main stat (attack, defense or HP). If you see an opponent with unusually high power for the arena level you're at, it's a good bet that this will be a high resistance team - so you may want to avoid them if you rely heavily on placing debuffs and you don't have super high accuracy to overcome that resistance. If on the other hand you see an opponent with unusually low power, it's likely that this is a well-designed speed nuking team - very fast so you might lose to a speed nuke, but if you can either outspeed them or somehow survive the speed nuke with your team intact, it should be relatively easy to win. 

So essentially, avoid high-power teams, avoid low-power teams, and go with a 50/50 chance with a team roughly the same power as you (which might also be a finely tuned nuke team of higher power).  

Valdys said:

Player power is important in a clan, so you can climb the leaderboard.

Well whoop dee doo... Game changer stuff for sure. 

jean said:

L9753 said:

It's not useless in choosing opponents, but you need to know a bit how to interpret it. Power rating is determined to a large extent by the resistance stat, for unclear reasons, as well as various champions' main stat (attack, defense or HP). If you see an opponent with unusually high power for the arena level you're at, it's a good bet that this will be a high resistance team - so you may want to avoid them if you rely heavily on placing debuffs and you don't have super high accuracy to overcome that resistance. If on the other hand you see an opponent with unusually low power, it's likely that this is a well-designed speed nuking team - very fast so you might lose to a speed nuke, but if you can either outspeed them or somehow survive the speed nuke with your team intact, it should be relatively easy to win. 

So essentially, avoid high-power teams, avoid low-power teams, and go with a 50/50 chance with a team roughly the same power as you (which might also be a finely tuned nuke team of higher power).  

Let's just avoid wasting too much time in arenas altogether, huh?

No, it depends on how your own team is built whether you should avoid them or not. If you know your team is very fast, then the low power speed nukers aren't necessarily scaring you. If you know you have very solid accuracy, or you just don't rely that much on debuffs landing, maybe the high resistance isn't a problem. And of course your analysis / decision whether to attack (and with which team) should be based on a combination of the power rating and the champions on that team. 

jean said:

L9753 said:

jean said:

Obviously, team power is utterly useless in choosing opponents in arenas. Does it serve any purpose at all in the game?

It's not useless in choosing opponents, but you need to know a bit how to interpret it. Power rating is determined to a large extent by the resistance stat, for unclear reasons, as well as various champions' main stat (attack, defense or HP). If you see an opponent with unusually high power for the arena level you're at, it's a good bet that this will be a high resistance team - so you may want to avoid them if you rely heavily on placing debuffs and you don't have super high accuracy to overcome that resistance. If on the other hand you see an opponent with unusually low power, it's likely that this is a well-designed speed nuking team - very fast so you might lose to a speed nuke, but if you can either outspeed them or somehow survive the speed nuke with your team intact, it should be relatively easy to win. 

So essentially, avoid high-power teams, avoid low-power teams, and go with a 50/50 chance with a team roughly the same power as you (which might also be a finely tuned nuke team of higher power).  

Let's just avoid wasting too much time in arenas altogether, huh?

Before trying to decipher the team power, you need to first know, what is your team do? Is it a high speed nuker? A tanker? What?

Once you understand that, then you decipher what enemy is your team capable of frighting.

For instance, my team is a tank team built to survive high speed nuker team, that's why I hunt for the high speed team, hence I look for low powered teams as they usually are speed teams.

I believe the (this) game designers did not know how (wrong) mislead they designed at beginning, they might count all champion stats equally. However, in reality, speed stat ruled Arena, pvp, make all power indicators wrong.

If I could give a fix, I would do like this:

- Speed stat x 5

- Crit rate x 5 (limit to 100% - i.e. max 500 points)

- Crit damage x 3

- Accuracy vs. Resistance, only x 2 which one higher.

- The rest x 1.

-------

Sum all = Total power.

That is "more" precise than current power indicator. 

The better one is (Speed, Accuracy) x factor for debuffers. (Speed, Crit Rate, Crit damage, Atk) x factor for attacker, etc. 

The thing is, I think any power rating score calculation would fall flat, because in Arena what counts most is team synergy, which is un-quantifiable

I don't know at the top tier, but for me (and still do fight the normal accounts in classic) I win 95% of my fight despite going 2nd (sometimes even going last), and I don't count the bots in that calculation.

No, it depends on how your own team is built whether you should avoid them or not. If you know your team is very fast, then the low power speed nukers aren't necessarily scaring you. If you know you have very solid accuracy, or you just don't rely that much on debuffs landing, maybe the high resistance isn't a problem. And of course your analysis / decision whether to attack (and with which team) should be based on a combination of the power rating and the champions on that team. 

L9753 said:

No, it depends on how your own team is built whether you should avoid them or not. If you know your team is very fast, then the low power speed nukers aren't necessarily scaring you. If you know you have very solid accuracy, or you just don't rely that much on debuffs landing, maybe the high resistance isn't a problem. And of course your analysis / decision whether to attack (and with which team) should be based on a combination of the power rating and the champions on that team. 

At the end of the day, if a full roster analysis is required for every arena fight, it pretty much confirms that power ratings serve absolutely no purpose in the arenas (or anywhere, really). It's an entirely meaningless value and could/should be removed from the game.

Before trying to decipher the team power, you need to first know, what is your team do? Is it a high speed nuker? A tanker? What?

Once you understand that, then you decipher what enemy is your team capable of frighting.

Indent14 said:

I believe the (this) game designers did not know how (wrong) mislead they designed at beginning, they might count all champion stats equally. However, in reality, speed stat ruled Arena, pvp, make all power indicators wrong.

If I could give a fix, I would do like this:

- Speed stat x 5

- Crit rate x 5 (limit to 100% - i.e. max 500 points)

- Crit damage x 3

- Accuracy vs. Resistance, only x 2 which one higher.

- The rest x 1.

-------

Sum all = Total power.

That is "more" precise than current power indicator. 

The better one is (Speed, Accuracy) x factor for debuffers. (Speed, Crit Rate, Crit damage, Atk) x factor for attacker, etc. 

Completely agreed. I don't mind if there's a certain level of inaccuracy in something called a power rating (it's not an exact science), but when a team with a third of your power can kick your ass, it's clearly broken. It should either be fixed or removed from the game altogether. In that case, casual users should be presented with an alternative (and helpful) method to quickly assess their odds in a fight. Leaning the exact specs of 300+ characters is not an option for casual players.