Hi,

The reason I am concerned is the arena... I have a team power of about 67K with Nethril, Apothecary, Martyr and Aothar... and I beat team with about about 90K or less... but I dare not challenge someone who has a team of people that I feel like I can beat if their team power is 120... I want strike that fear haha.

BrandonS1701 said:

The reason I am concerned is the arena... I have a team power of about 67K with Nethril, Apothecary, Martyr and Aothar... and I beat team with about about 90K or less... but I dare not challenge someone who has a team of people that I feel like I can beat if their team power is 120... I want strike that fear haha.

Again, don't look at power. :)

Valdys said:

BrandonS1701 said:

The reason I am concerned is the arena... I have a team power of about 67K with Nethril, Apothecary, Martyr and Aothar... and I beat team with about about 90K or less... but I dare not challenge someone who has a team of people that I feel like I can beat if their team power is 120... I want strike that fear haha.

Again, don't look at power. :)

If "power" is meaningless, then why is it there?  It shows on every Champion Page.  It shows on every Arena Team.  

WileyMan said:

Valdys said:

BrandonS1701 said:

The reason I am concerned is the arena... I have a team power of about 67K with Nethril, Apothecary, Martyr and Aothar... and I beat team with about about 90K or less... but I dare not challenge someone who has a team of people that I feel like I can beat if their team power is 120... I want strike that fear haha.

Again, don't look at power. :)

If "power" is meaningless, then why is it there?  It shows on every Champion Page.  It shows on every Arena Team.  

To increase the player power, that it's needed for clan ranking.

WileyMan said:

Valdys said:

BrandonS1701 said:

The reason I am concerned is the arena... I have a team power of about 67K with Nethril, Apothecary, Martyr and Aothar... and I beat team with about about 90K or less... but I dare not challenge someone who has a team of people that I feel like I can beat if their team power is 120... I want strike that fear haha.

Again, don't look at power. :)

If "power" is meaningless, then why is it there?  It shows on every Champion Page.  It shows on every Arena Team.  

Power is NOT meaningless. People who say that are being simplistic, and/or don't know what they're talking about.

It's more precise to say that power is not a real stat, itself, the way Attack and Resist are. It doesn't do anything. Instead, it's a sort of report on how many points your champ has in certain statistics and other measurements, not all of which is known or understood.

But there ARE multiple reasons to pay attention to it:

• First, and most incontrovertible, you can scare people away from attacking your Defense team, or draw them in to attacking it, based on whether your Team Power is high or low. There are many known ways to game this, so you can get more wins or fewer losses. 
• Second, you would be wise to consider team power when deciding who to attack in Arena. But it's only one factor. It tells you, in a broad way, how much the team is pumped up with artifacts, Great Hall stats, and so on. It is imprecise, and can be gamed, but watching it will increase your success rate when attacking enemy teams. 

Of course you should focus as much or more attention on which champs they have, and whether their Aura is speed. For example, even if you don't know champs you can gauge in generalities based on, for example, rarity. Four Legendaries MIGHT be weak enough for you to beat with your epic/rare team, but it's more likely to beat you than four commons would be. And pretty quickly you'll learn to avoid certain speed champs, and the halloween champs, and so on.

And you definitely should remember to check the rank of each champ, and the ascensions, and the level. Obviously. THESE at least are exact. Just not the only factors.

One thing you cannot get even a hint on, by the way, is whether their skills are booked up. I suppose the best thing is to just assume they are.

But power DOES communicate some useful information about the power of a champ or team, overall. It's just not exact, and should be taken as part of an overall assessment.

Here is the latest youtube reveal.

 Elhain stats 

Skill One: 2 times when crit)  2.2*atk 

Skill Two (inc c. rate 30%)  4*atk 

Skill Three: (AoE, 2 times) 1.9*atk

Martyr Stats:

 Skill one: 3.4*def

 Skill three 4*def AoE

A guy from Russia and his friends calculated this, but as you can see Elhain hits for 2.2 times her attack number and martyr hits for 3.4 times her defense number. Look at these numbers on your champions as see who should be hitting harder. Some fo the numbers may have been changed during a patch. These were accurate when they were calculated.

Can you please post link to that video, cuz those numbers are not corect by large margin (acording to the sourse I use).

 I would like to see the process behind that cslculations. 

Can you please post link to that video, cuz those numbers are not corect by large margin (acording to the sourse I use).

 I would like to see the process behind that cslculations. 

Right off the bat i can see something is off about Elhain multipliers from the @NoSpam post.

Elhain's A2 fires two shots - first one is a single target, next is an AoE hit. It obvious the first shot has different modifier than the next Aoe and it's almost double (not quite, but close).

So... as the spreadsheet itself is an good idea, I am more interested in calculation process behind it - you know, how the data was gathered and such.

@ Daering The explanation is in Russian, but I'll give you the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2BSNY7FvvQ

Here is an explanation of teh Russian video someone posted on Salts vid: 

Andrey Dvornikov  15 hours ago 

@Omen2005 there is a video in Russian where this guy explains how he came to these conclusions. he basically went to campaign and tested the same skill on neutral affinity enemies 10 times, taking into account only the normal hits (displayed in red). then he found out the average (adding up damage and dividing by 10) and then divided this number by the stat that damage scales off of. there's a disclaimer that the champions might have been rebalanced in later patches and their multipliers altered. also, he only did champions whom he or his friends got. but obviously, everyone can test any champ they have themselves.

Stewgaming and Salt both did videos on it. It would be great if you could double check the results or present what your testing has come up with.

Thank you for the added info, I watched Stew video and will check that russian guy (my russian understanding is as bad as my English, hehehe).

I hold only respect* for those that are willing to dig for extra data, burning time and resources in the process and then share it with the community. I want this to be clear.

 My responce was more of a side note of why we have different numbers for the same skill. 

One thing worth mentioning is that collecting data from 10 variables is somehow... hm, unsufficient enough? But, hey, I am not the one burning time and energy into this, so can't be picky here. 

*not sure this is corect phrase :) 

NoSpam said:

...Murder inc....

That guys is some sort of wizard, no doubt about that, I follow him from day one. Probably one of the most informative channels.

If you are interested, there is an online resource i sometime refer to. Multiplier champion data base is almost nonexistent and there is no update and activity there almost an year, but you may check that testing process  and some of the conclusions.Now that is something that seems like actual data gathering. All credits go to Beerwalker for his efforts to help the community.