How do similar or same (de)buffs stack?

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How do similar or same (de)buffs stack?

Raptor

Apr 6, 2020, 09:5804/06/20

02/20/20

236

How do similar or same (de)buffs stack?

I haven't quite figured this out yet, so I will ask two example questions:

1. I apply Unique Debuff on Enemy for 2 turns. With 1 turn remaining, I apply it again for 2 turns. Will it be 3 turns or 2 turns? Same question for buffs (like increase defence)

2. I have a Shield Buff from artifact set for 2 turns, and I apply a Shield Buff for 3 turns from Ability (like Valkyrie or Miscreated Monster). What happens? Do the shield values stack? Do the turns add up or just pick highest value? Or does the game track them separately, whilst displaying only one buff icon?

Thanks ahead of any clarifications.

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Victory March

Apr 6, 2020, 10:2304/06/20

02/27/20

154

Not sure about debuffs, but I'm pretty sure buffs don't stack. Increasing Attack doesn't seem to stack.

Daering

Apr 6, 2020, 10:2504/06/20

Apr 6, 2020, 10:27(edited)

08/26/19

641

1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.

2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info.

Valdys

Apr 6, 2020, 22:0704/06/20

02/13/19

1564

Daering said:

1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.
2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info.

Correct.

And yes, shield from artifacts stack, but shield from skills not.

Trips

Apr 7, 2020, 00:5504/07/20

Apr 7, 2020, 01:00(edited)

12/19/19

6262

Buffs will over-ride the current buff. Example, Zelotah and Monster both create shields. One will replace the existing one even if they go back2back. Monsters ally protect will replace skullcrusher. A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...

On the debuff side it looks better. Not 100% but I've seen Jarl 100% HR replace SC 50% but not vice versa.

On another note I just realized speed aura (guessing all aura) only affects base speed.

Kael 103+52=155

Saurus 83+73=156

Saurus goes 1st without spirithost lead. With spirit Kael goes 1st. 165 to 164

Daering

Apr 7, 2020, 07:3304/07/20

Apr 7, 2020, 07:34(edited)

08/26/19

641

Trips said:

... A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...

Is this a typo? This must not have happen. (not sure about the corect gramar here, but but I am sure the bigger one always has advantage over lesser one).

And yes, auras affect base stats.

Raptor

Apr 7, 2020, 09:0604/07/20

02/20/20

236

Valdys said:

Daering said:

1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.
2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info.
Correct.
And yes, shield from artifacts stack, but shield from skills not.

Ok, but what about skill shield + artefact shield? How do they stack or not stack?

Daering

Apr 7, 2020, 09:2304/07/20

08/26/19

641

I have read that they stack, but can't test it myself.

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Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info. <br>","userRegistered":"1566843029513","userCommentsCount":"641","userName":"Daering","createdDate":"1586168758560","editedDate":"1586168846070","id":"769525","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/14.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769525","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/7344887/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769848/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"7344887","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Daering said:</p><br><blockquote><p>1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. 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Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info. <br></blockquote><p>Correct.</p>And yes, shield from artifacts stack, but shield from skills not.","userRegistered":"1550087648483","userCommentsCount":"1564","userName":"Valdys","createdDate":"1586210852513","editedDate":"0","id":"769848","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/15.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"false","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769848","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/9121817/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769880/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"9121817","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Buffs will over-ride the current buff.  Example, Zelotah and Monster both create shields.  One will replace the existing one even if they go back2back.  Monsters ally protect will replace skullcrusher.  A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...</p><br><p>On the debuff side it looks better.  Not 100% but I've seen Jarl 100% HR replace SC 50% but not vice versa.</p><br><p>On another note I just realized speed aura (guessing all aura) only affects base speed. </p><br><p>Kael 103+52=155</p><p>Saurus 83+73=156</p><br><p>Saurus goes 1st without spirithost lead.  With spirit Kael goes 1st. 165 to 164 </p><br><br>","userRegistered":"1576789050463","userCommentsCount":"6262","userName":"Trips","createdDate":"1586220917103","editedDate":"1586221248820","id":"769880","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd-avatar.x-plarium.com/prod/59903156.jpeg.jpeg?v=1645026050"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769880","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/8698972/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769959/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"8698972","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Trips said:</p><br><blockquote><p>... A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...</p><br></blockquote><p>Is this a typo? This must not have happen. (not sure about the corect gramar here, but but I am sure the bigger one always has advantage over lesser one).</p>And yes, auras affect base stats. ","userRegistered":"1566843029513","userCommentsCount":"641","userName":"Daering","createdDate":"1586244785647","editedDate":"1586244869343","id":"769959","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/14.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769959","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/9187119/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769991/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"9187119","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<div class=\"user-name\">Valdys said:</div><br><blockquote><p>Daering said:</p><br><blockquote><p>1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.<br></p>2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info. <br></blockquote><p>Correct.</p>And yes, shield from artifacts stack, but shield from skills not.</blockquote>Ok, but what about skill shield + artefact shield?  How do they stack or not stack?  ","userRegistered":"1582174458417","userCommentsCount":"236","userName":"Raptor","createdDate":"1586250372363","editedDate":"0","id":"769991","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/forum/raid-shadow-legends/avatars/740.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"false","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769991","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/8698972/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_770003/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"8698972","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"I have read that they stack, but can't test it myself. ","userRegistered":"1566843029513","userCommentsCount":"641","userName":"Daering","createdDate":"1586251402157","editedDate":"0","id":"770003","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/14.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"false","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"770003","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}}]},"components":{}}},{"name":"wEditor","type":"wEditor","model":{"links":{},"strings":{"title":"Add title","shortText":"Add summary","buttonSave":"Post","buttonCancel":"Cancel","buttonComment":"Comment","timerTitle":"Set Post Date and Time","timerPlaceholder":"Schedule Post","buttonPreview":"Preview","timeUTC":"This post will go live using UTC [+0.00]","maxLength":"50000","errorTitleMinLength":"Min: 2 characters","errorTitleSearchMinLength":"Min: 3 characters","errorTitleMaxLength":"Max: 100 characters","errorShortTextMinLength":"Min: 2 characters","errorShortTextMaxLength":"Max: 350 characters","errorAltUploadMinImageLength":"Min: 2 characters","errorAltUploadMaxImageLength":"Max: 150 characters","errorSignatureMaxLength":"Max: 360 characters","errorCountryMaxLength":"Max: 256 characters","errorClanMaxLength":"Max: 20 characters","errorPreviewRequired":"Image required","errorMaxLength":"Max length: 50 000 characters. 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Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.<br></p>2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info. <br>","userRegistered":"1566843029513","userCommentsCount":"641","userName":"Daering","createdDate":"1586168758560","editedDate":"1586168846070","id":"769525","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/14.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769525","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/7344887/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769848/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"7344887","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Daering said:</p><br><blockquote><p>1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.<br></p>2. Shield from artifact and from skills do stack (shield from additional set stacks too), but i can't be more specific than, i don't have/don't use any champion with shield skill, can help here with more info. <br></blockquote><p>Correct.</p>And yes, shield from artifacts stack, but shield from skills not.","userRegistered":"1550087648483","userCommentsCount":"1564","userName":"Valdys","createdDate":"1586210852513","editedDate":"0","id":"769848","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/15.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"false","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769848","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/9121817/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769880/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"9121817","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Buffs will over-ride the current buff.  Example, Zelotah and Monster both create shields.  One will replace the existing one even if they go back2back.  Monsters ally protect will replace skullcrusher.  A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...</p><br><p>On the debuff side it looks better.  Not 100% but I've seen Jarl 100% HR replace SC 50% but not vice versa.</p><br><p>On another note I just realized speed aura (guessing all aura) only affects base speed. </p><br><p>Kael 103+52=155</p><p>Saurus 83+73=156</p><br><p>Saurus goes 1st without spirithost lead.  With spirit Kael goes 1st. 165 to 164 </p><br><br>","userRegistered":"1576789050463","userCommentsCount":"6262","userName":"Trips","createdDate":"1586220917103","editedDate":"1586221248820","id":"769880","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd-avatar.x-plarium.com/prod/59903156.jpeg.jpeg?v=1645026050"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769880","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/8698972/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769959/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"8698972","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<p>Trips said:</p><br><blockquote><p>... A 25% increase attack will replace a 50%...</p><br></blockquote><p>Is this a typo? This must not have happen. (not sure about the corect gramar here, but but I am sure the bigger one always has advantage over lesser one).</p>And yes, auras affect base stats. ","userRegistered":"1566843029513","userCommentsCount":"641","userName":"Daering","createdDate":"1586244785647","editedDate":"1586244869343","id":"769959","entityId":"193883","likesCount":"0","quotedId":"","userBanId":""},"images":{"avatar":{"href":"https://cdn-gpd.x-plarium.com/browser/content/portal/raid-desktop/avatars/14.jpg"}},"template_options":{"isLiked":"false","wasEdited":"true","canEdit":"false","compositeId":"769959","isDeleted":"false"},"repeaters":{}},{"links":{"authorUrl":"/en/profile/9187119/","commentUrl":"/en/comment/topic_769991/"},"strings":{"userRole":"","userId":"9187119","contentDraftJs":"","contentHtml":"<div class=\"user-name\">Valdys said:</div><br><blockquote><p>Daering said:</p><br><blockquote><p>1. Buffs and Debuffs (with same quality) don't stack, the new one is applied as normal. In your case you will get that debuff for 2 turns again. Bigger version of buff/debuff overrides lesser one.<br></p>2. 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