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Mar 11, 2025, 17:4703/11/25
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Clarification on Kawn Branchbreaker A2

It's... really strangely worded. "Ignores a percentage of each target’s DEF equal to 50% of the difference between this Champion’s MAX HP and any [Shield]s on them."

Is "them" the targets? Does that mean if they have no shield buffs, it ignores 50% DEF? If he has, say, 50k hp, and they have 5k shield, does that mean he ignores (45/50)/2 = 45% DEF? If he less max hp than their shield, does that mean he ... decreases the damage done instead of ignoring DEF?

Or is "them" a gender agnostic term referencing himself? In which case does he ignore more DEF the lower his own shield is?

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Mar 12, 2025, 18:1903/12/25
06/25/20
7036

Bump :)

Mar 18, 2025, 00:3503/18/25
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7036

Any updates? Given he's now an event champ, would be good to get clarification. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 01:0103/18/25
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kramaswamy.kr

Any updates? Given he's now an event champ, would be good to get clarification. 

Ill ask them again.  Still seems to be a bit of confusion.

Mar 18, 2025, 05:3103/18/25
01/31/20
1992

Based on a video I watched from Skaratch, the shield that matters is the shield on Kawn, whether he places it or it comes from gear or another toon on the team.   

However, the wording would seem to indicate that the lower the shield on Kawn (and therefore the greater the difference), the more Def is ignored, but that is opposite of what Skaratch was saying in the video.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 10:5203/18/25
06/24/19
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The answer that we got from the devs.

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ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 10:5303/18/25
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Onikage55

Here, I'll explain how his A2 works:

Kawn is on a train going 60mph from Chicago to New York. The target is on a plane going 600mph from Miami to Alaska. The damage is the distance in centimeters from the ground to the plane when the Target flies over Kawn, minus the amount of days left in the year and then mulitplied by the phase of the moon.

Simple enough?

Edit: I forgot to mention the attack also ignores armor equal to the difference in the attacking player's ID minus the current date in mm/dd/yy format, then divided by 100.

You forgot to include the owners country of origin and the Daylight Savings Time adjustment. 

Mar 18, 2025, 12:5103/18/25
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ShortOnSkillz

The answer that we got from the devs.

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And is it the shield on himself that matters? So if he has more shield than hp, he'll ignore more than 50% def?

Mar 18, 2025, 13:5803/18/25
12/16/21
2149

I mean, there are other champs who have attacks which ignore defense without convoluted poorly-worded set-ups required.

Mar 18, 2025, 14:4503/18/25
12/19/19
7045

I know I'm dumb, but I learned 0 about this champ from you all...

Still a skip? I'm looking for a reason to flip cards...


ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 14:5403/18/25
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kramaswamy.kr

And is it the shield on himself that matters? So if he has more shield than hp, he'll ignore more than 50% def?

Yes.  It's the size of his shield that matters.  So 50k HP with 50k shield would ignore 50% defense.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 14:5503/18/25
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Trips

I know I'm dumb, but I learned 0 about this champ from you all...

Still a skip? I'm looking for a reason to flip cards...


Personally I'm skipping.  It's very expensive, the other deck rewards are bad and I can't see myself ever using this guy in arena.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 14:5503/18/25
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MooredRat

I mean, there are other champs who have attacks which ignore defense without convoluted poorly-worded set-ups required.

One of the biggest reasons I'm skipping.  Why fuss with all this when Wukongs A2 just straight ignores 50% damage.

Mar 18, 2025, 15:0703/18/25
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Yeah im only asking because a clan mate got him, no plans to get him myself.

Mar 18, 2025, 21:5003/18/25
01/31/20
1992

Accoring to HH website, Kawn's shield multiplier is 3.5*Def, so let's say you give him build of 6K Def & 50K HP.

His A3 will put up a shield worth 21K, which is 42% of 50K, so his A2 would ignore 21% of Enemy Defense on top of the Savage/Lethal/Merciless Gear and Helmsmasher that you would want on him too.

HH does rate his A2 as "Godlike" for Arena, but that is predicated on the correct setup, which for Kawn means a shield is up before he hits.

Mar 18, 2025, 22:0503/18/25
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If I had him, I feel like I'd probably use him like Harima. Put him on a team who isn't trying to necessarily win instantly, because his A2 not only ignores DEF, it also destroys HP, and his passive also increases DEF, so he gets stronger as the fight goes on. The shield part is just bonus points, but works well if you put him with someone like, say, Mithrala or UDK.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Mar 18, 2025, 22:1303/18/25
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WileyMan

Accoring to HH website, Kawn's shield multiplier is 3.5*Def, so let's say you give him build of 6K Def & 50K HP.

His A3 will put up a shield worth 21K, which is 42% of 50K, so his A2 would ignore 21% of Enemy Defense on top of the Savage/Lethal/Merciless Gear and Helmsmasher that you would want on him too.

HH does rate his A2 as "Godlike" for Arena, but that is predicated on the correct setup, which for Kawn means a shield is up before he hits.

Problem is are you getting 2 turns like that in arena, and if you are why bother with the extra step when so many other options are just better.  Of course you could run him with Bolster Nehkret or something to that effect but Narses exists.

Mar 18, 2025, 22:3603/18/25
07/01/22
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MooredRat

I mean, there are other champs who have attacks which ignore defense without convoluted poorly-worded set-ups required.

I mean the game is so RNG focused sometimes, I'm waiting for the champion that changes Type based on what day of the week it is

Mar 19, 2025, 04:0203/19/25
01/31/20
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ShortOnSkillz

Problem is are you getting 2 turns like that in arena, and if you are why bother with the extra step when so many other options are just better.  Of course you could run him with Bolster Nehkret or something to that effect but Narses exists.

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

Mar 19, 2025, 04:3103/19/25
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WileyMan

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

Embrys, the Chimera mythic, has block revive on his form 2 a1, and people are gonna start getting him soon

Mar 19, 2025, 05:1103/19/25
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WileyMan

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

I don't think he should be discounted. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Rotos too. The A1 has block revive and the A2 destroys max HP, and rather than growing his HP, he grows his DEF.

Now, of course, you're right, he's a void lego, so that means he has to measure up against some pretty big champs. Still - I think if I were to get him, I'd probably see if I could find a way to get him on a team.