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Low to Mid Champions who are suddenly valuable for Chimera Trials

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Jan 4, 2025, 18:4601/04/25
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Low to Mid Champions who are suddenly valuable for Chimera Trials

EDIT/DISCLAIMER: I am not suggesting focusing Trials over getting Top Chests. Top Chests per Difficulty are the most important. This is about Trial Rewards for Specific Trials, not a post about doing as many trials as possible. I'm not saying "Do 10+ Trials" or something. Now, on with the original post:

Was looking at the Trials last night for awhile, since crafting the Relics (especially epic/legendary/mythic ones) is gonna be huge now with some of the ones I've seen. There's some buffs and debuffs you have to place/use that only a few champions actually have covered decently well. 

I'm also hoping people will post some more here since I definitely don't know all of them:

1. Greathoof Loriaca. A fusion I absolutely skipped and is poorly rated overall... BUT she comes with the following: Decrease Acc, Decrease Res, Increase Acc and Block Debuffs. Decrease Res is extremely rare and all 4 of those listed are required for trials. Decrease Res especially for Lion Trial 3 Normal which brings us to

2. Deliana. I always have love for Deliana because she was my first leggo as a login when I first started. She also has Decrease Res AND has Leech which is Also for Lion Trial 3 Easy, so Deliana alone handles Lion Trial 3 Easy and Normal (also Leech keeps you from dying on Ram reflect)


Also I'd like to give some mentions to already GREAT Champions who are even more impressive now for Chimera thanks to Trials: Lydia, Gwyndolin and Tartura. 


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Jan 4, 2025, 20:2401/04/25
06/25/20
6844

From what I read on HH, the best approach is to go for maximizing your overall damage, with around 5 trials being the "sweet spot". Which is unfortunate, I wish the trials themselves were bigger contributors. The problem with bringing people like Loriaca and Deliana are that they contribute almost nothing to damage, and trials only multiply your output, so if you're not doing much damage, you'll still not get many points.

PS - Leech doesn't stop you from dying to the reflect. The heal only triggers if you survive the initial hit.

PPS - how was Supreme Kael for everyone?

Jan 4, 2025, 20:2701/04/25
06/25/20
6844

As to your actual question - Gwyndolyn is the sleeper that I found super useful here. Leech is pretty important, as you mentioned, but ACC up/down is also super useful, and of course SPD down being pretty key. But the real awesome part of her is that she extends ALL debuffs (sorry Vizier, you're just no longer relevant), and her passive means she keeps those buffs/debuffs active very consistently.

Jan 4, 2025, 20:3901/04/25
Jan 4, 2025, 20:44(edited)
01/15/21
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kramaswamy.kr

From what I read on HH, the best approach is to go for maximizing your overall damage, with around 5 trials being the "sweet spot". Which is unfortunate, I wish the trials themselves were bigger contributors. The problem with bringing people like Loriaca and Deliana are that they contribute almost nothing to damage, and trials only multiply your output, so if you're not doing much damage, you'll still not get many points.

PS - Leech doesn't stop you from dying to the reflect. The heal only triggers if you survive the initial hit.

PPS - how was Supreme Kael for everyone?

If purely looking at clash points, i would agree.

But you get mats for doing the trials? so that might be an argument for doing trials.

Having said that, my last run i got 13 trials (instead of my usual 5) and it cost me about 50m damage, the tiny number of mats i got for the trials were not worth the effort.

As for champs i am appreciating for chimera? most of the champs i am using are already considered good to be honest (gnut, nekmo, lydia etc) but i have been considering building gwyndolon - as mentioned accuracy up is good and when i swapped out nekmo for kimi to get accuracy up / down- my turn meter was degraded

I just dont know if she can actually do good damage?

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 4, 2025, 21:0001/04/25
12/30/20
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Gwyndolin is fantastic for Chimera and can absolutely do damage as well. Chimera really was a massive value buff for her.

Jan 4, 2025, 21:0701/04/25
12/16/21
1487

I've been doing NM going for pure damage and getting 2-3 trials, brutal trying for trials, my PB so far is getting 8 done while still able to get top chest

Jan 4, 2025, 23:1801/04/25
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Trevor Wilson

If purely looking at clash points, i would agree.

But you get mats for doing the trials? so that might be an argument for doing trials.

Having said that, my last run i got 13 trials (instead of my usual 5) and it cost me about 50m damage, the tiny number of mats i got for the trials were not worth the effort.

As for champs i am appreciating for chimera? most of the champs i am using are already considered good to be honest (gnut, nekmo, lydia etc) but i have been considering building gwyndolon - as mentioned accuracy up is good and when i swapped out nekmo for kimi to get accuracy up / down- my turn meter was degraded

I just dont know if she can actually do good damage?

The logic the article used is that the rewards from the chests you get for points is far more than those you get from the trials. So,  if you're giving up a lot of damage just to do the trials, you're not getting enough compensation to justify it.

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 4, 2025, 23:1901/04/25
12/30/20
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MooredRat

I've been doing NM going for pure damage and getting 2-3 trials, brutal trying for trials, my PB so far is getting 8 done while still able to get top chest

Whatcha trying to run?

Jan 4, 2025, 23:2401/04/25
Jan 5, 2025, 00:21(edited)
07/01/22
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kramaswamy.kr

From what I read on HH, the best approach is to go for maximizing your overall damage, with around 5 trials being the "sweet spot". Which is unfortunate, I wish the trials themselves were bigger contributors. The problem with bringing people like Loriaca and Deliana are that they contribute almost nothing to damage, and trials only multiply your output, so if you're not doing much damage, you'll still not get many points.

PS - Leech doesn't stop you from dying to the reflect. The heal only triggers if you survive the initial hit.

PPS - how was Supreme Kael for everyone?

I specifically said this was about getting materials for relics, not points for clash. Specific Trials give Legendary and Mythic crafting mats, which is why the first thing I said was how this was about crafting higher rarity relics.

Also yes, Leech can keep you from dying because a lot of abilities are multi-hit so yes as long as you don't oneshot yourself (and you shouldn't be if you're actually playing right) then leech is huge. ALSO you need leech for some trials. Again, you nitpick without understanding and it's unfortunate.

Also I meant Dark Kael. So yes you are right on one point.


Jan 4, 2025, 23:2701/04/25
Jan 5, 2025, 02:08(edited)
07/01/22
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kramaswamy.kr

As to your actual question - Gwyndolyn is the sleeper that I found super useful here. Leech is pretty important, as you mentioned, but ACC up/down is also super useful, and of course SPD down being pretty key. But the real awesome part of her is that she extends ALL debuffs (sorry Vizier, you're just no longer relevant), and her passive means she keeps those buffs/debuffs active very consistently.

Gwyndolin definitely deserves a honorable mention so I updated that and removed Kael since I got them confused. 

The "article" you're talking about is a video from HH Gaming by Saph and he doesn't talk about Specific Trials at all, he's purely talking about Trials to Points ratios. Some trials aren't worth much, other's are worth a LOT. 

Put simply: If you can get top chest AND do the most beneficial trials, do trials. There's not enough in Clash Rewards IMO to be worth sacrificing trial rewards for damage/points. Period. Never in my post did I say "Don't go for top chest, do trials". All I did was point out how important Trials are for Crafting Mats. You need to take a look at the trial-speficic rewards instead of just parroting HH's generalizations

Jan 4, 2025, 23:3501/04/25
Jan 4, 2025, 23:51(edited)
07/01/22
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Trevor Wilson

If purely looking at clash points, i would agree.

But you get mats for doing the trials? so that might be an argument for doing trials.

Having said that, my last run i got 13 trials (instead of my usual 5) and it cost me about 50m damage, the tiny number of mats i got for the trials were not worth the effort.

As for champs i am appreciating for chimera? most of the champs i am using are already considered good to be honest (gnut, nekmo, lydia etc) but i have been considering building gwyndolon - as mentioned accuracy up is good and when i swapped out nekmo for kimi to get accuracy up / down- my turn meter was degraded

I just dont know if she can actually do good damage?

The mats you get from certain trials can really worth it since you can specifically get Mythic and Legendary Mats as well as other rewards. As one example:

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Luckily those trials there can all be done with Lydia and any hp burner, just for the Hard Trial don't use her A3


As long as you're doing enough damage for Top Chest, you can afford to lose points/damage to do Trials on the back-half of the run. There's NO Relics from Victory Clash Chests. Not saying that makes them bad, the gems you get are awesome especially at higher tiers. 

Lydia and Nekmo are both great and I'd say to keep using them. Nekmo's Dec Atk is a lifesaver especially on NM/UNM difficulties. 

One secret about Gnut: It's actually possible to use his A3 on Ram Form and not die. The key is NOT to have Dec Def or Weaken out but have Leech. My Gnut has 310% Crit Dmg and didn't die. Either the Coding or Healthbars are strange for his A3 because on the first hit, he loses a lot of health but on the 2nd and 3rd hit his healthbar never goes down. 

Jan 4, 2025, 23:5001/04/25
Jan 4, 2025, 23:51(edited)
12/16/21
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dthorne04

Whatcha trying to run?

I haven't run this rotation yet, and I know the affinity has changed

But up until now I've been doing roughly 100M on brutal with 7-8 trials complete

and ~130 on NM with 2-3 trials. roughly 2B clash points


My clan hasn't yet brought down NM. We definitely could if our biggest hitters put both keys into it, but we've figured for now it's better to go with double brutal chests and 1 nm for guaranteed champ frags while some of our less advanced members work on teams and catch up

Jan 4, 2025, 23:5601/04/25
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MooredRat

I haven't run this rotation yet, and I know the affinity has changed

But up until now I've been doing roughly 100M on brutal with 7-8 trials complete

and ~130 on NM with 2-3 trials. roughly 2B clash points


My clan hasn't yet brought down NM. We definitely could if our biggest hitters put both keys into it, but we've figured for now it's better to go with double brutal chests and 1 nm for guaranteed champ frags while some of our less advanced members work on teams and catch up

Yeah we're also still struggling NM. One thing I will say is the Serpent Form has some trials that are pretty easy that do give better rewards than most Trials. Now the Trials rewards are tricky since they change with difficulty.

For example, on Brutal the Serpent Form Trials #2 Easy gives the 2 gems and upgrade stones but on Nightmare Serpent Form Trials #1 Easy does instead. 

Btw you said "PB" in your first post and I'm not sure what that is short for?

Jan 5, 2025, 00:0401/05/25
Jan 5, 2025, 00:05(edited)
12/16/21
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Onikage55

Yeah we're also still struggling NM. One thing I will say is the Serpent Form has some trials that are pretty easy that do give better rewards than most Trials. Now the Trials rewards are tricky since they change with difficulty.

For example, on Brutal the Serpent Form Trials #2 Easy gives the 2 gems and upgrade stones but on Nightmare Serpent Form Trials #1 Easy does instead. 

Btw you said "PB" in your first post and I'm not sure what that is short for?

Personal Best

Our current cluster record is 16 trials in a single run I think, but that was on hard. Someone else managed 13 on brutal

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 5, 2025, 00:0801/05/25
Jan 5, 2025, 00:08(edited)
12/30/20
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MooredRat

I haven't run this rotation yet, and I know the affinity has changed

But up until now I've been doing roughly 100M on brutal with 7-8 trials complete

and ~130 on NM with 2-3 trials. roughly 2B clash points


My clan hasn't yet brought down NM. We definitely could if our biggest hitters put both keys into it, but we've figured for now it's better to go with double brutal chests and 1 nm for guaranteed champ frags while some of our less advanced members work on teams and catch up

Fair enough. This rotation will be a bit interesting with the anti Gnut/Nekmo affinity, still going to try to run those two with Elva/Horse/Lydia and see what happens.

The only issue is that without running something like Toxic, I think it caps out at ~7-8 trials on UNM, something like 11 on NM. 

Jan 5, 2025, 00:1501/05/25
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dthorne04

Fair enough. This rotation will be a bit interesting with the anti Gnut/Nekmo affinity, still going to try to run those two with Elva/Horse/Lydia and see what happens.

The only issue is that without running something like Toxic, I think it caps out at ~7-8 trials on UNM, something like 11 on NM. 

Right now it's way worse than just Gnut/Nekmo being negative affinity... the Ultimate Form isn't Void it's Force... 


Jan 5, 2025, 00:1801/05/25
07/01/22
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MooredRat

Personal Best

Our current cluster record is 16 trials in a single run I think, but that was on hard. Someone else managed 13 on brutal

Ah gotcha. Also I edited my original post to now clarify I'm not talking about doing as many trials as possible but instead the specific rewards for crafting. That's on me for not clarifying. I didn't even know trials gave different rewards until last night, I thought you just got X mats based on total trials done but now seeing specifics I think there's about 7-9 specific Trials to do on every run if possible.

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 5, 2025, 00:2701/05/25
12/30/20
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Onikage55

Right now it's way worse than just Gnut/Nekmo being negative affinity... the Ultimate Form isn't Void it's Force... 


I think on specific teams this can be brute forced through extra turns, overbuilt, tankiness, etc. depending on issue

at this point I think for most people with Marius it becomes a situation of are you running four supports and Marius, unless you have specific mythics or a few other champs.

Jan 5, 2025, 01:1001/05/25
07/01/22
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dthorne04

I think on specific teams this can be brute forced through extra turns, overbuilt, tankiness, etc. depending on issue

at this point I think for most people with Marius it becomes a situation of are you running four supports and Marius, unless you have specific mythics or a few other champs.

Reaaaaaally wish I had focused more on getting that horse earlier :(

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 5, 2025, 01:1301/05/25
06/24/19
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kramaswamy.kr

As to your actual question - Gwyndolyn is the sleeper that I found super useful here. Leech is pretty important, as you mentioned, but ACC up/down is also super useful, and of course SPD down being pretty key. But the real awesome part of her is that she extends ALL debuffs (sorry Vizier, you're just no longer relevant), and her passive means she keeps those buffs/debuffs active very consistently.

Id love to have one to try.  Sadly skipped her guranteed at the time.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 5, 2025, 01:1501/05/25
06/24/19
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MooredRat

Personal Best

Our current cluster record is 16 trials in a single run I think, but that was on hard. Someone else managed 13 on brutal

What were they using?  I think it's basically impossible to get more than 1 or 2 on Ram without Alaz.