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Dec 24, 2024, 04:3212/24/24
04/27/20
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Returning Player - UNM CB Team No Longer works on Spirit Affinity

Hello all,

I hope everyone is well! I returned to the game after about a 6 month long break. One of the things I had dailed in was my CB team, which worked for Brutal thru UNM on all affinities. The team was speed tuned and worked 95% of the time. On occasion, Spirit Affinity UNM wouldn't work due to the stun target, but it wasn't consistant.

Having just come back and without having changed any of my speeds or awakenings, Spirity Affinity UNM now consistantly fails to get to 50 turns.

My team is a Myst-Fu setup with Heiress, Seeker and Turvold. Attached is the speed calculator.

On Magic and Force Affinity, this works flawlessly. On Spirit Affinity , I am now getting what I want to call a glitch. After the 2nd AOE, starting on turn 2 (or sometimes 5 or 8) the turnover potentially goes awry. After Heiress cleanses and removes the debuffs, Turvold will jump the turn order and go before Seeker. Once this occurs, everything goes off course and team wipes within a turn. As I noted before, it isn't consistant. Sometimes it happens on turn 2, sometimes on turn 8 or even later.

I've thought about if Turvold resisted the debuff if that could be an issue or if him doing a counterattack before the debuff is removed is an issue, but none of those seem to pan out.

If anyone can help with this, I'd greatly appreciate it. This wasn't an issue a few months ago or even at the point when I stopped playing, so not sure what changed.

I am happy to provide additional infomation if needed.

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Dec 24, 2024, 04:4912/24/24
12/16/21
1646

hmm, first off, that team *should* be working 100% of the time


If it's only failing on spirit, that almost has to an issue with CB landing a speed debuff and it not getting cleansed in the right order.


Could you post champs gear and masteries? also ai settings?

Dec 24, 2024, 05:5312/24/24
07/01/22
727

Spirit was my worst one also. The problem is he does Decrease Speed on the team and that can really throw off your tune

Jan 2, 2025, 22:3501/02/25
Jan 2, 2025, 22:38(edited)
04/27/20
81

My apologies for not following this up. Here are the requested pics (gear buffs, AI settings and masteries). 

The problem is consistant. Only on UNM Spirit affinity does this happen. Turvold will be randomly be ahead of seeker on turn 2 or 5 or 8 or 11 (etc.). Seems inconsistant, but it obviiously has to do with the speed debuff. Just doesn't make sense since Heiress is always cleansing at the top of the turn.

This was not an issue about 4-5 months ago when I began my break from the game.

Let me know if there are other pics I can provide.



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Jan 2, 2025, 23:1201/02/25
07/01/22
727

Here's the thing, Maneater teams have block debuffs with the unkillable. Even if heiress is cleansing, its still having a deteriment which throws the runs off. Maybe get your runs in early before affinity changes? 

The only other thing I can think of is you have the masteries for counterattacking from 25% hp loss. I've heard that counterattacking can really throw off tunes but I don't know how

Jan 2, 2025, 23:1501/02/25
12/16/21
1646
Mdubbs818

My apologies for not following this up. Here are the requested pics (gear buffs, AI settings and masteries). 

The problem is consistant. Only on UNM Spirit affinity does this happen. Turvold will be randomly be ahead of seeker on turn 2 or 5 or 8 or 11 (etc.). Seems inconsistant, but it obviiously has to do with the speed debuff. Just doesn't make sense since Heiress is always cleansing at the top of the turn.

This was not an issue about 4-5 months ago when I began my break from the game.

Let me know if there are other pics I can provide.



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gear too please, to check set bonuses

Jan 2, 2025, 23:1601/02/25
12/16/21
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Onikage55

Here's the thing, Maneater teams have block debuffs with the unkillable. Even if heiress is cleansing, its still having a deteriment which throws the runs off. Maybe get your runs in early before affinity changes? 

The only other thing I can think of is you have the masteries for counterattacking from 25% hp loss. I've heard that counterattacking can really throw off tunes but I don't know how

CA only throws it off if it's a champ that has a tm boost on a1, like ninja

Jan 2, 2025, 23:4401/02/25
12/16/21
1646

An intriguing mystery. Unless there's something in a gear set, like a refesh accessory, I can't spot anything out of place.

The numbers all check out in DWJ's calc, should be stable.

Jan 3, 2025, 19:4201/03/25
04/27/20
81

No refresh or unaccounted gear. Again, this wasn't an issue 4-5 months ago. My best guess is some sort of glitch. I could try adjusting Turvold's speed...

Any other suggestions would be amazing. Thanks all.

Jan 3, 2025, 19:5601/03/25
11/16/20
1196

is heiress getting stunned? I run a similar comp and vs spirit I have to change out turvold for a half naked geo so he always gets stunned.

Jan 6, 2025, 05:4401/06/25
04/27/20
81

Prior to taking a break starting in June or July, if my UNM spirit runs failed it was due to heiress getting stunned. However, this would only happen 1 out of 5 timse. 

This is now a consistant problem. I may try to slightly lower Turvold's speed to see if that solves the issue.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 7, 2025, 15:1201/07/25
Jan 7, 2025, 15:12(edited)
06/24/19
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Mdubbs818

Prior to taking a break starting in June or July, if my UNM spirit runs failed it was due to heiress getting stunned. However, this would only happen 1 out of 5 timse. 

This is now a consistant problem. I may try to slightly lower Turvold's speed to see if that solves the issue.

Your Turvold is too fast relative to Seeker.  Because Heiress cleanses the debuff it is active for one tick.  The issue arises when the DPS resists the Speed debuff and Seeker doesn't.  The DPS moves ahead of Seeker and throws the team out.

DPS True Speed Less Than Seeker True Speed * ( 7.15 / 7.8 )

Jan 7, 2025, 21:0201/07/25
04/27/20
81

That makes a lot of sense, thank you  Skillz. The specific issue of DPS resisting the debuff, but not seeker isn't something the calculator would have caught. I can try holding onto one ore two pieces of gear to swap out for  these spirit UNM runs. Let me see what works. Thanks again :)