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Plarium, Siege is still not good...

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Nov 13, 2024, 04:5611/13/24
07/02/15
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Plarium, Siege is still not good...

I have a tough time getting my clan members to participate as is.  Now you reduced their attacks to 2?   I don't really care about the "unfairness" of a (1 mill power) weak player in my clan getting a third attack, while you increase my (14.32 million power) account's attack to 4.   I don't want the extra attack.  I just want the rest of my clan to participate.   You know what?  YOU want them to participate!   So figure out a way that is more attack opportunities for all my players or they will walk away from the game.  I am running out of room defending you.

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harleQuinnModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 13:1011/13/24
02/24/19
7987

How do you see this being improved? 

Are you saying that your clanmates are not participating with only 2 attack scrolls but would participate if they had 3 attack scrolls?

Nov 13, 2024, 15:3911/13/24
12/18/19
351

Well id say for starters they could switch the prep time and actual play time, wtf do we need the 3 month preparation time for? 3 day prep time and  11 days of playing time, what to do with that 11 days idk its not my job to make it fun for people lol. All it is atm is just another arena, we dont need so many arenas

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 16:4811/13/24
Nov 13, 2024, 18:17(edited)
02/24/19
7987
sharkium

Well id say for starters they could switch the prep time and actual play time, wtf do we need the 3 month preparation time for? 3 day prep time and  11 days of playing time, what to do with that 11 days idk its not my job to make it fun for people lol. All it is atm is just another arena, we dont need so many arenas

Personally me and my clan really need the prep time. We work hard on assigning posts to people, then work as a group to build champs and teams. We spend a lot of time with our less experienced arena players getting them set up and ready so that they have a chance of defending a post, and are ready to attack, preferably with at least one team that can cover conditional faction only posts.

And since the posts change every time, we will need the extra days to build teams and champs for some time now. At least until everyone has a very solid set of options.

That's at least my reasoning for why we need the time. We actively use it in my cluster.

Nov 13, 2024, 17:1011/13/24
06/25/20
6728

This exchange perfectly encapsulates the problem with Siege - for established clans with active participation in Discord, the mechanics work well. As you mentioned Quinn, you make effective use of the prep stage to plan out who does what, and you use Discord/etc to communicate those objectives.

However, for clans that don't actively use Discord, the tools available are simply nonexistent, and the entire experience quickly becomes pointless.

You've given me an idea, though. What if, on offense, clan leaders/deputies could *assign* players to a specific objective? This wouldn't involve choosing what champs are used, or fighting the battles, or anything like that - it would simply give the player an alert when they login, saying something like "your clan leader has given you an objective in Siege", and, when they open the Siege screen, they'd get an indication on their screen as to what the target was. They wouldn't be forced to fight there, but you could add an incentive for them to - bonus florins or something to that effect. This could encourage people to target those lower stages, so that the people with better teams can wait until they are cleared out before using their teams. 

Nov 13, 2024, 17:1911/13/24
12/19/19
6467

My clan doesnt participate!!!

Give them more attacks!     LOL

Make it more frequent!!!  LOL

Assign them a specific time sensitive task!!! LOL


No offense, but these clan members are "casual players".  Siege is not designed for casual, though only having to particpate once a fortnight makes it very forgiving from a time perspective.  If your clan wasnt beating NM Clan boss you would find a new clan...

Nov 13, 2024, 17:2211/13/24
06/25/20
6728

This game *is* casual, Trips. Literally every aspect of it is built around automating things so you don't need to actively participate. Thinking it is anything different is silly.

Nov 13, 2024, 17:2711/13/24
05/26/22
602

I must not be doing it right. I just pick the next tower in the chain closest to their castle and kill the other players there and then move onto the next until I am out of scrolls. I usually am only given two. But with those two.... oh man, watch out!

Nov 13, 2024, 18:0711/13/24
12/19/19
6467
kramaswamy.kr

This game *is* casual, Trips. Literally every aspect of it is built around automating things so you don't need to actively participate. Thinking it is anything different is silly.

This may be true for the vast majority of PLAYERS.  If we subset to spenders, and God forbid significant spenders the picture changes quite a bit. 

Us f2p are just along for the ride.  We can adapt our play to the ACTUAL GAME DESIGN or we can keep complaining that it doesn't suit the way we want to play.

Hydra, Live Arena, Siege are the only enjoyable parts of the game in my opinion.  And sinatros until i got the mythical, the new event dungeon briefly.  I don't get enjoyment out of multi battling dungeons, rerunning CB, DT, FW, ... then this is just a collectors game... which is very silly :)

I am a bit bored myself, hopefully the new event dungeon arrives soon and Hydra 2.0 finds a landing spot.  I'll enjoy my procrastination until then.


harleQuinnModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 18:1811/13/24
02/24/19
7987
kramaswamy.kr

This exchange perfectly encapsulates the problem with Siege - for established clans with active participation in Discord, the mechanics work well. As you mentioned Quinn, you make effective use of the prep stage to plan out who does what, and you use Discord/etc to communicate those objectives.

However, for clans that don't actively use Discord, the tools available are simply nonexistent, and the entire experience quickly becomes pointless.

You've given me an idea, though. What if, on offense, clan leaders/deputies could *assign* players to a specific objective? This wouldn't involve choosing what champs are used, or fighting the battles, or anything like that - it would simply give the player an alert when they login, saying something like "your clan leader has given you an objective in Siege", and, when they open the Siege screen, they'd get an indication on their screen as to what the target was. They wouldn't be forced to fight there, but you could add an incentive for them to - bonus florins or something to that effect. This could encourage people to target those lower stages, so that the people with better teams can wait until they are cleared out before using their teams. 

I have it on good authority that clan leaders will soon have more in game options to direct their clan during Siege. 

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 18:2211/13/24
02/24/19
7987
kramaswamy.kr

This game *is* casual, Trips. Literally every aspect of it is built around automating things so you don't need to actively participate. Thinking it is anything different is silly.

The game is in no way casual for the people who actually and truly compete in CvC, Plat Arena, Siege, Hydra Clash and every event. 

It isn't casual for many in my cluster.

You personally have decided that game is best for you when casual, and you back up that assertion by remaining free to play no matter if that slows your progression to crawl and prevents your top end performance. The people who buy energy, gems and shards do not all share your assessment.

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 18:2411/13/24
02/24/19
7987
Shibb

I must not be doing it right. I just pick the next tower in the chain closest to their castle and kill the other players there and then move onto the next until I am out of scrolls. I usually am only given two. But with those two.... oh man, watch out!

Depends on where you are at in the rankings. We've been in the top 10 matchups for Siege three times now, and it's SERIOUS up there. 

But yeah, in our other clans it's literally just "use your scrolls to get to the stronghold" with no other instructions.

Nov 13, 2024, 19:2211/13/24
12/19/19
6467
harleQuinn

Depends on where you are at in the rankings. We've been in the top 10 matchups for Siege three times now, and it's SERIOUS up there. 

But yeah, in our other clans it's literally just "use your scrolls to get to the stronghold" with no other instructions.

So like us u were not good at tanking? We were nowhere near top 10 as we are much more casual 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 19:2411/13/24
Nov 13, 2024, 19:24(edited)
06/24/19
2468
harleQuinn

I have it on good authority that clan leaders will soon have more in game options to direct their clan during Siege. 

ATTACK

DEFEND

and introducing...

SUPPORT

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 19:2511/13/24
06/24/19
2468
Trips

So like us u were not good at tanking? We were nowhere near top 10 as we are much more casual 

Well we really get screwed because we, erroneously, assumed upgrading our stronghold would be beneficial.  So early on wed get counter boosted hard because they had so many extra battles.

Nov 13, 2024, 19:2711/13/24
12/19/19
6467
ShortOnSkillz

Well we really get screwed because we, erroneously, assumed upgrading our stronghold would be beneficial.  So early on wed get counter boosted hard because they had so many extra battles.

Oof.  Luckily my laziness has spread like wildlife in my clan and we just didn't know what to do so haven't repaired or upgraded anything yet....


ShortOnSkillzModerator
Nov 13, 2024, 21:5611/13/24
06/24/19
2468
Trips

Oof.  Luckily my laziness has spread like wildlife in my clan and we just didn't know what to do so haven't repaired or upgraded anything yet....


Sometimes it pays to be behind the curve.

Nov 13, 2024, 23:3611/13/24
01/31/20
1015
harleQuinn

I have it on good authority that clan leaders will soon have more in game options to direct their clan during Siege. 

That would be fabulous news

Nov 13, 2024, 23:4211/13/24
01/31/20
1015
Trips

Oof.  Luckily my laziness has spread like wildlife in my clan and we just didn't know what to do so haven't repaired or upgraded anything yet....


With the changes in 9.4, upgrading the Stronghold is now a good move, so you may want to consider it. 

dthorne04Moderator
Nov 14, 2024, 04:0811/14/24
12/30/20
6265
ShortOnSkillz

Sometimes it pays to be behind the curve.

Imagine us thinking we were being rewarded for upgrading your Stronghold, pure silliness

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 14, 2024, 06:2811/14/24
02/24/19
7987
Trips

So like us u were not good at tanking? We were nowhere near top 10 as we are much more casual 

Enemies were getting 60 extra attacks to boost us every Siege following the first one, when we upgraded the Hold. Was tough, cause after a long fight we'd be out of scrolls, in a good position... and they'd be stuck somewhere but with 100-120 losses. Then they'd start throwing whatever they had left. So lots of boosting.