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Apr 28, 2023, 16:4304/28/23
07/10/20
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Struggling with next 60

Hey guys,

I'm ready to bring a lvl 50 champ up to r6 but I'm struggling with the decision.

I have a solid CB team that is 2key-ing nightmare so I'm leaving that as is for now. (brogni/fatman/vogoth/bad-el/toragi)

In hydra I have one team that can get about 1.5-2M damage but my other two teams only manage 500k each so ranking up someone useful for Hydra is a must, but...

I also have come to realize that my arena team shares too many players with CB and so they are way way too slow as they are speed tuned for CB so I need to start revitalizing my arena team (i've had both brogni and fatman on the arena team).

So who would be the logical choice to help either Hydra, Arena or both?


Thanks!

i


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Apr 28, 2023, 16:4404/28/23
07/10/20
46

(pic shows all of the eligible r5 players, everyone else is r4 or below)

Apr 28, 2023, 17:3604/28/23
06/25/20
6723

You've got your priorities wrong. Your number one priority should be getting top chest in UNM. That is by far the biggest source of progression, bar none.

Your current team is pretty good overall, so I'm not sure why you're unable to get that top UNM chest. Have you tuned it properly?

Apr 28, 2023, 18:0404/28/23
07/08/19
989

how's your progress in other areas? i'll second what krama said about unm cb, but overall hydra comes pretty close to the bottom of the priority ladder.

in regard to cb, vogoth is bringing absolutely nothing to your team. replace him with a dps champion.

Apr 28, 2023, 18:1604/28/23
06/25/20
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Carpe_Piscis

how's your progress in other areas? i'll second what krama said about unm cb, but overall hydra comes pretty close to the bottom of the priority ladder.

in regard to cb, vogoth is bringing absolutely nothing to your team. replace him with a dps champion.

Vogoth brings Leech - though, I suppose perhaps he could replace him with with Yannica or Deliana, if he has the lego books.

Apr 28, 2023, 20:2104/28/23
07/08/19
989
kramaswamy.kr

Vogoth brings Leech - though, I suppose perhaps he could replace him with with Yannica or Deliana, if he has the lego books.

leech is an excellent way to keep your team alive without dedicating a slot to a healer, but when your team runs bad-el and brogni it's really not needed.

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Apr 28, 2023, 20:2404/28/23
12/30/20
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Carpe_Piscis

leech is an excellent way to keep your team alive without dedicating a slot to a healer, but when your team runs bad-el and brogni it's really not needed.

Agreed. Also think in general Vogoth is a very underwhelming CB champ.

As for DPS I see Ronda, but I wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the roster. 

Apr 28, 2023, 20:2904/28/23
06/25/20
6723

Fair enough. But either way, the team as-is should be more than enough to easily 1-key NM, and likely 3-key UNM - so the problem isn't the team, it's likely the gear and tuning.

Apr 28, 2023, 20:5804/28/23
07/10/20
46

Dthorne, I'll get a screenshot of the rest as soon as I'm home!

And yes,  gear is def the issue for me.  I'll get stats up for the cb team once I'm home. The last time I had asked for help on here i was struggling to 2 key NM and I've tweaked the cb roster and improved gear somewhat since then,  so I've improved,  but there's likely something I'm doing wrong.


Apr 28, 2023, 21:1304/28/23
07/10/20
46


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Apr 28, 2023, 21:1904/28/23
07/10/20
46

Here are their stats:


Brogni


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Fatman:


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Bad-el:


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(i know... i just can't effing pull one to save my life)


Toragi


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(same issue here, just can't pull one)


Vogoth


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Apr 28, 2023, 21:2504/28/23
06/25/20
6723

Okay, so without even needing to think about this, I can already tell you that Toragi is too slow. You need him to be faster than Brogni, so that Brogni can be last to act and put his shield up on turn 2, to block both the speed down and the stun.

Aside from that, everyone looks *very* squishy. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say you're probably dying pretty early on. Try to look at your runs and see who dies first, and make that person tankier, then repeat until everyone lasts until at least turn 35, preferrably over turn 40.

And, needless to say, put your stats into deadwoodjedi and ensure that the tune is proper, and that your auto-ai settings are correctly set.

Apr 28, 2023, 22:2804/28/23
07/10/20
46

So I had found a page on hellhades about stats for CB and it had said to go for a DEF of 3000 or higher for nightmare, when you say squishy do you mean that the def should be a lot higher?


Apr 28, 2023, 23:0304/28/23
06/25/20
6723
Timmer

So I had found a page on hellhades about stats for CB and it had said to go for a DEF of 3000 or higher for nightmare, when you say squishy do you mean that the def should be a lot higher?


No, the DEF levels are pretty decent. But they are way too low in HP - specifically, BEK and Fatman. Again, watch your runs carefully, and see when they die. My guess is it is too early.

And, as mentioned, your tune is off.

Apr 30, 2023, 16:1304/30/23
07/10/20
46

Just to show that you nailed the issue, it seems that Bad and Toragi can't survive past about turn 27-28, and the others make it to about 33-34. Thanks for the help on this, this site is awesome thanks to guys like you