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Feb 12, 2023, 19:5402/12/23
12/05/22
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Need advice on direction to go


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Hi. 70 days into the game. Doing levels 13 in dungeons (15 in easy keeps, 10 in spider), 4,5-5 M damage in CB hard. I'd like advice on the direction to go.

- I have food for two more 6*, would you level up one of these or would you wait for better champs?

- I suspect that I'm farming too much food and not enough gear (as you can see, I still don't have a banner for my Kael)

- Should I build specific teams for certain areas (dragon, clan boss, spider)?

Thanks in advance.


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Feb 12, 2023, 21:0802/12/23
Feb 12, 2023, 21:11(edited)
04/17/20
43

I would probably 60 Amiger, Mausoleum mage and Trumborr next.

Its best to level as many 60 as you can and then start to sort teams. You can get away with using a standard team for all dungeons until you get to later levels then you need teams specific for certain dungeons.

Dragon - poisons

Fire knight- multi hitters

Spider - turn meter control (Armiger) and later HP burn

Ice Golum - this one is annoying, you go slow with poisons and kill the golum with boredom. 

dthorne04Moderator
Feb 12, 2023, 21:4302/12/23
12/30/20
6039

I'd take up Psylar next to help with waves - specifically Dragon - and Trumborr for CB. I think that's where we want to focus right now. 

Dragon, something like Gorgorab, Dhukk, Kael, Ronda and Psylar makes sense. I'd really want to get on the Dragon grind ASAP because you have Maneater + Painkeeper which will let you get to Budget Unkillable in the future for Clan Boss. However, we're going to need a lot of gear first. :)

Feb 12, 2023, 21:5502/12/23
11/16/20
1154

Op has maneater and painkeeper. I'm not a expert on this comp but I feel like having his goal of getting the team working should be his number one priority. From the ss I know he will not have enough gear to hit the speeds, but with some dungeon farming I'm sure he can get there in a few weeks.

https://deadwoodjedi.com/speed-tunes/budget-maneater-unkillable/

dthorne04Moderator
Feb 12, 2023, 22:0402/12/23
12/30/20
6039

I think that's going to end up being a big ask and I have doubts about DPS, stun target choices right now

Feb 13, 2023, 17:0202/13/23
12/05/22
40

Thanks a lot for all the answers.

I hadn't thought of Truborr, I have him a little bit on the bench most of the time.

I bought some void shards this last weekend and most of what I got was s***: 1 sole epic (of course, no leggos) from 15 shards (with 2xchance on epics/leggos), 3 Justiciars ... absolute bulls*** ... except that I got Pain Keeper to match with Maneater. By the way, should I take her/him to 50 or 60?

I guess, from what you say, that the plan is to farm Dragon so I get good gear to go to higher stages of CB with the Budget Unkillable, right? I imagine I should use Lifesteal and Speed sets ...

I guess I also have to farm Spider, I think I have no 60s with banners equipped ...

I can farm Dragon 13 right now, but I'm using Maneater instead of Psylar, I read she's not very good there ...

Thanks again.


Feb 14, 2023, 16:5802/14/23
12/05/22
40
dthorne04

I'd take up Psylar next to help with waves - specifically Dragon - and Trumborr for CB. I think that's where we want to focus right now. 

Dragon, something like Gorgorab, Dhukk, Kael, Ronda and Psylar makes sense. I'd really want to get on the Dragon grind ASAP because you have Maneater + Painkeeper which will let you get to Budget Unkillable in the future for Clan Boss. However, we're going to need a lot of gear first. :)

Do you think it's worth to take Psylar to Dragon just for the waves even if A3 is useless with the dragon itself?

Feb 14, 2023, 21:0002/14/23
06/25/20
6641
Joyodongo

Do you think it's worth to take Psylar to Dragon just for the waves even if A3 is useless with the dragon itself?

Yes.

Feb 19, 2023, 20:3702/19/23
12/05/22
40

Well, I finally took Psylar to 60, but it clearly doesn't work with the Dragon: I've beaten level 16 with 3 alive (Dhukk, Maneater, Kael), but with Psylar instead of Maneater it's a Defeat.

Same with Truborr with CB: I took him to 50 for the moment (unbooked), but the runs with him were much worse than with the "prime" team: Dhukk, Maneater, Gorgorab, Kael, Ronda.

I forgot I also had Reliquary Tender (50): I tried with her instead of Gorgorab in Dragon but it went better with Gorgorab: the Increase Attack is precious in this case.

Question with the Budget Unkillable: if you don't have the gear (my case) to get to the required stats, is it ok to build the team (with lower stats) and do an approach? or everything would be screwed up and better go with a "regular" team until you have the gear?

Thanks.

Feb 19, 2023, 20:5302/19/23
06/25/20
6641

A few comments:

1) You need to separate out your concerns between Dragon and CB. I wouldn't worry about CB for now. Get your Dragon team working so you can get gear you'll need for CB.

2) Your Dragon team not working properly is likely a consequence of gear. You shouldn't need Maneater at all - his unkillable buff is absolutely unreliable for the boss. If you're not getting to the boss with everyone alive, you need to work on the gear so you can keep everyone controlled while also being able to clear the waves. You also may need to work on AI settings to ensure they aren't wasting skills at the end of one wave. If you reach the boss alive, then you need to work on the gear of Kael specifically, since he's probably going to be doing most of the damage to the boss.

tl;dr - need more info regarding gear.

Feb 19, 2023, 21:1702/19/23
Feb 19, 2023, 21:18(edited)
12/05/22
40

In the last run (Maneater), I got to the Dragon with everyone 100% health (except Kael 75-80%). Damage was: Kael-450k, Ronda-280k, Dhukk-250k, Maneater-200k, Gorgo-45k.

Yes, Kael's gear is not the best (you can see it in the first picture with the roster).

I'm thinking on farming 4.3 for a while instead of 12.3 so I can get some Spirithosts to go as faction guardians. I think it may be worth the "loss" of energy and silver, and if some day I get a Coldheart, she'll also benefit from it.

Feb 19, 2023, 21:4102/19/23
06/25/20
6641
Joyodongo

In the last run (Maneater), I got to the Dragon with everyone 100% health (except Kael 75-80%). Damage was: Kael-450k, Ronda-280k, Dhukk-250k, Maneater-200k, Gorgo-45k.

Yes, Kael's gear is not the best (you can see it in the first picture with the roster).

I'm thinking on farming 4.3 for a while instead of 12.3 so I can get some Spirithosts to go as faction guardians. I think it may be worth the "loss" of energy and silver, and if some day I get a Coldheart, she'll also benefit from it.

Bad idea. Focus on 12-3 to get food leveled. Farm Dragon 16 until your gear can support Dragon 20.

Again - ME is a crutch, and one which won't work very consistently due to how long the cooldown is on his A3. Get the team working without him.

Feb 20, 2023, 02:4902/20/23
10/15/20
2041
Joyodongo

In the last run (Maneater), I got to the Dragon with everyone 100% health (except Kael 75-80%). Damage was: Kael-450k, Ronda-280k, Dhukk-250k, Maneater-200k, Gorgo-45k.

Yes, Kael's gear is not the best (you can see it in the first picture with the roster).

I'm thinking on farming 4.3 for a while instead of 12.3 so I can get some Spirithosts to go as faction guardians. I think it may be worth the "loss" of energy and silver, and if some day I get a Coldheart, she'll also benefit from it.

The problem with Kael's gear is, that his accuracy is much to low to land poisons consistent. Poison is important to bring down bosses, and as a rule of thumb you need dungeonlevel * 10 as accuracy to land debuffs. Your Kael has accuracy to poison the Dragon at stage 7. He may still land a poison from time to time, but the rate is much lower. Farm the highest dragon stage you can do right now and try to get some better gear. For Kael, at the start, where you have neither access to good perception gear nore a banner, you probably want a chestpiece with accuracy as mainstat.

And every medal you earn in arena should go to accuracy as well. Don't make the typical begnnier mistake and bring up atk in the great hall first. Accuracy is much harder to get at the start, and the bonus is much higher, compared to artifacts. Atk great hall bonus at stage 10 is 20%, artifact bonus 6* lvl 16 is 60%. Acc great hall stage 10 is 80, 6* lvl 16 artifact bonus is 96.


I disagree with Krama about your 4.3 idea. Kael will be in most of your teams for a while, and filling the faction guardian ring is a good way to maximize the power of your main champ, and this bonus will stay forever. Nothing wrong with that.

Feb 20, 2023, 08:4902/20/23
12/05/22
40

Thanks a lot for the very valuable advice.

Tell me what you think, please, about my plans for Kael: 

- Change the LS chestplate to a LS 5* ACC (main stat) blue one (a LS set is mandatory for campaign farming, at least for me). I'll lose the +40% ATK though.

- Change the Divine Offense weapon/shield to Perception (of course I have Perception gear) weapon/shield (ACC as sec stats).

- Farm Minotaur 15 (I can) to complete the masteries.

- Farm 4.3 for Spirithosts.

Acc is my priority in the Hall (now level 3 in magic/void), but to get to level 4 I need almost 3 times the ones needed to get to level 3. I'm in Gold I now but wins here are much harder to get ...

Maybe one of the problems was that I was not using the proper gear even though I had it (well, at least some ...).

Thanks again.

Feb 20, 2023, 15:2902/20/23
06/25/20
6641

I'm still going to vote against the farming 4.3 part. I think it'll just be far too much energy wasted, since your xp per energy is way lower at 4.3 than it is at 12.3.

To the rest though, everything else sounds good. My suggestion though is to try to make someone else your campaign farmer. You don't need accuracy at all for campaign. Genbo may be able to do it quickly - not totally sure, have't tested him.

Feb 20, 2023, 17:4402/20/23
02/04/22
3

Hi people. I'm wanting to build a CB team using Kyoku, Siphi, Deliana, Brakus and Scyl or Teodor. Any comments or ideas.

Feb 20, 2023, 17:4802/20/23
12/19/19
6301
Adi@1979

Hi people. I'm wanting to build a CB team using Kyoku, Siphi, Deliana, Brakus and Scyl or Teodor. Any comments or ideas.

Start a new thread with your roster picture.  You need 5 different champs 😆 

Feb 20, 2023, 18:1102/20/23
12/05/22
40
kramaswamy.kr

I'm still going to vote against the farming 4.3 part. I think it'll just be far too much energy wasted, since your xp per energy is way lower at 4.3 than it is at 12.3.

To the rest though, everything else sounds good. My suggestion though is to try to make someone else your campaign farmer. You don't need accuracy at all for campaign. Genbo may be able to do it quickly - not totally sure, have't tested him.

Kramas, you normally use energy to get gear/increase stats. Well, that's what I intend to do, use energy (the difference between 12.3 and 4.3) to get an extra 10% HP, ATK, DEF plus ACC, RES and SPD. I think it's worth. And it's not that I urgently need food, I have now food for almost 2 more 6*.

Well, first step: I changed gear. As you all said: dramatic change

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You can see ACC is nearly 200. I lost like 300 ATK but now I can beat quite consistently Dragon 17 instead of 16 (in 4' but well ...), and now Kael does normally 700k damage instead of 450k.

We'll se how it goes in CB ...

Feb 20, 2023, 18:2202/20/23
06/25/20
6641

Remember that those boosts are to base stats. Is 3000 more HP and 90 more DEF going to make or break your team? Unlikely.

Feb 20, 2023, 19:1902/20/23
02/04/22
3

Need some help guys.

Wanting to make a CB team with Kyoku, Scyl, Deliana, Brakus and Siphi.

Any advice?

Feb 20, 2023, 19:2402/20/23
06/25/20
6641
Adi@1979

Need some help guys.

Wanting to make a CB team with Kyoku, Scyl, Deliana, Brakus and Siphi.

Any advice?

Make a new thread.