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Having trouble w/spider den & doom tower.  need suggestions please ?

Having trouble w/spider den & doom tower. need suggestions please ?

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Jan 27, 2023, 05:3901/27/23
10/30/22
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Having trouble w/spider den & doom tower. need suggestions please ?

I have been playing for a few months and tried different tips I've heard from HH's YouTube channel but I still am having a ton of trouble trying to advance in Dungeons Spider den level 12, also cant beat Doom tower 2nd boss, and the Iron Twins Fortress  has been impossible at all.  Please Any advice would awesome.

I feel I took bad advice in beginning and kept useless gear and wasted alot of silver on leveling up garbage gear. 


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these are all the Champs I have so far. I don't even really know who's really worth keeping. I'm afraid to ise any as food until I'm sure they're not worth keeping to level up. I know I already wasted potions on ascending alot of them. Any help amd suggestions would be greatly appreciated? 

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Jan 27, 2023, 05:5101/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 05:54(edited)
04/24/22
813

Teodor the savant, Riho , madame serris , Dhukk , Orn  are definitively worth 6* 60 

Edit: Coldheart 6-60 worth it too . Sadly i cant rly help with teams much , has i dont know most of the champ you have but those i mention do stand out of the rest and i know they are very very good in general . 


Jan 27, 2023, 06:2601/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 06:39(edited)
07/08/19
981

by far, the biggest thing causing you problems right now is lack of 6* champions. the difference between rank 5 and rank 6 is massive and building a bunch of rank 5 champions rather making more 6* is not a great use of resources.

among the rares you have, i would hang on to apothecary, coldheart, renegade, paragorn, pain keeper, geargrinder, soulbond bowyer, kurzad, reliquary tender, and a copy of every champion that can be used in a fusion (the ones with the swirly blue symbol). the rest you can go ahead and use as food. 

on a positive note, you do have a lot of excellent champions. i think from your collection i would make serris, orn, and ursala my top priorities. 

edit: is your ronda able to solo campaign 12-3? if not, first priority should absolutely be someone who can.

Jan 27, 2023, 07:3201/27/23
10/30/22
16
Carpe_Piscis

by far, the biggest thing causing you problems right now is lack of 6* champions. the difference between rank 5 and rank 6 is massive and building a bunch of rank 5 champions rather making more 6* is not a great use of resources.

among the rares you have, i would hang on to apothecary, coldheart, renegade, paragorn, pain keeper, geargrinder, soulbond bowyer, kurzad, reliquary tender, and a copy of every champion that can be used in a fusion (the ones with the swirly blue symbol). the rest you can go ahead and use as food. 

on a positive note, you do have a lot of excellent champions. i think from your collection i would make serris, orn, and ursala my top priorities. 

edit: is your ronda able to solo campaign 12-3? if not, first priority should absolutely be someone who can.

Ok that makes a lot of sense, because I do notice a big difference in my few 6* to my 5*


So which champs should be my priority to make 6*and can you recommend which of the 5* I have that I can use as food to make some more 6*????

And what sets of gear should I prioritize in leveling up?


and also in answer to the question about Ronda, YES she can solo 12-3 on brutal. Sadly I haven't gotten that far on nightmar yet I'm close


Thankyou guys for the advice so far and thanks even more if you can help me with the new questions about who to make 6* first and who I can use as the food to do that 🤘🏻🙏🏻

Jan 27, 2023, 07:3501/27/23
Jan 29, 2023, 08:07(edited)
01/27/23
2

How can I find 6* champions? Can someone just help me out? And I can play as an mobile games online ?

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 27, 2023, 08:0201/27/23
12/30/20
6039
oocinsocal

Ok that makes a lot of sense, because I do notice a big difference in my few 6* to my 5*


So which champs should be my priority to make 6*and can you recommend which of the 5* I have that I can use as food to make some more 6*????

And what sets of gear should I prioritize in leveling up?


and also in answer to the question about Ronda, YES she can solo 12-3 on brutal. Sadly I haven't gotten that far on nightmar yet I'm close


Thankyou guys for the advice so far and thanks even more if you can help me with the new questions about who to make 6* first and who I can use as the food to do that 🤘🏻🙏🏻

I would not bother with Nightmare for awhile. It's going to be a lot more energy efficient - and better for account progress -  to focus on 12-3 Brutal. :)

I would 60 Dhukk before Serris. The reason being that Dhukk is going to be our main defense down champion for a long time but for overall content, whereas Madame is more suited to Arena. Dhukk is going to be much more helpful in Dungeons which is where we want to focus when we're not taking champs up to 60. I would not make Madame a priority right now, either.

Ursala, Dhukk, Orn all seem like more pressing needs, potentially Teodor too. Jareg is one you'll want for Clan Boss down the road, too.  

Jan 27, 2023, 08:0301/27/23
06/20/19
2181

@op ignore doom tower till you get spider under control.  Take advice already given.

@Samuel Phillips, you don't find them, you upgrade them.  Keep playing.

Jan 27, 2023, 08:2501/27/23
07/08/19
981
oocinsocal

Ok that makes a lot of sense, because I do notice a big difference in my few 6* to my 5*


So which champs should be my priority to make 6*and can you recommend which of the 5* I have that I can use as food to make some more 6*????

And what sets of gear should I prioritize in leveling up?


and also in answer to the question about Ronda, YES she can solo 12-3 on brutal. Sadly I haven't gotten that far on nightmar yet I'm close


Thankyou guys for the advice so far and thanks even more if you can help me with the new questions about who to make 6* first and who I can use as the food to do that 🤘🏻🙏🏻

top priorities for 6* would be serris, ursala, and orn. after that, i'd suggest lua as a wave clearer, though it's possible you'll pull a better alternative between now and then.

galek, sorcoress, diabolist, cataphract, and hollow can all be used as chickens to rank up anither champ. honestly, i'd say kael could be as well, though i suspect some people would disagree.

don't worry about sets for the moment. giving your champions gear wth the right main and substats is of far more importance than the set bonuses from matching gear. the stats themselves depend on the champion, but a couple good general rules are to avoid flat rate stats (stats which increase hp, atk, or def by a set amount, rather than a percentage) and pretty much every champion will want boots with speed as their main stat.

stop trying to do nightmare campaign. there's never any reason to grind on it so it's very much a one and done type deal. focus on the important areas for the moment and go back to tackle nightmare later on when you have better champions and can afford to burn the energy.

harleQuinnModerator
Jan 27, 2023, 09:4301/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 09:50(edited)
02/24/19
7825

Dhukk is my recommendation for a much better AoE Def Down option than Serris.  I wouldn't build Serris at ALL for some time. She is in no way a priority, as a full on Arena specialist that just gets worse and worse daily as people get blessings. She's now Madame Sheepish. We have several champs to build before her, starting with Dhukk.

Get Dhukk 60'd, then we move on to Ursala and Orn. Your 60s will be a lot better than then 50s, three times as strong basically. Worth the couple weeks to put the nose to the grindstone and level some champs. :)

Dhukk is a Legendary in an Epic skin. I use him all over the game on my little referral alt I kept up with, including NM Clan Boss, Gold Arena, every dungeon (20+), Hydra and Doom Tower (where I've completed two full normal rotations with a level 56 F2P account). His AoE Dec Def/Dec Atk paired with a Provoke paired with a Defensive kit that deals damage and keeps him standing through big hits make him one of the best Epics in the game, and super versatile.


dthorne04Moderator
Jan 27, 2023, 09:5601/27/23
12/30/20
6039
harleQuinn

Dhukk is my recommendation for a much better AoE Def Down option than Serris.  I wouldn't build Serris at ALL for some time. She is in no way a priority, as a full on Arena specialist that just gets worse and worse daily as people get blessings. She's now Madame Sheepish. We have several champs to build before her, starting with Dhukk.

Get Dhukk 60'd, then we move on to Ursala and Orn. Your 60s will be a lot better than then 50s, three times as strong basically. Worth the couple weeks to put the nose to the grindstone and level some champs. :)

Dhukk is a Legendary in an Epic skin. I use him all over the game on my little referral alt I kept up with, including NM Clan Boss, Gold Arena, every dungeon (20+), Hydra and Doom Tower (where I've completed two full normal rotations with a level 56 F2P account). His AoE Dec Def/Dec Atk paired with a Provoke paired with a Defensive kit that deals damage and keeps him standing through big hits make him one of the best Epics in the game, and super versatile.


it just seems like progression wise there isn't much better we could hope to get going than Dhukk. 

not to mention madame serris has become liability lamb. :D


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Jan 27, 2023, 11:2301/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 11:32(edited)
09/14/20
988

I would recommend bringing Teodor to 60. Equip him with regeneration and immortal set and he can run Dragon/Ice Golem solo with some food.

I would not recoomend using many of your 5* at the moment...personally, I do not see any use in Cataphract, Hollow and Diabolist (can be regained easily) and would use those and 2 additional food (Possibly Baroth and Draugh)

Use this to farm Dragon to get better gear. Do not keep anything below 5* equipment. For higher Spider levels, you are lacking the AoE HP burner at the moment...work on your tag team medals to eventually get Drexthar. It might also work with Ultimate Galek, but he needs some setup for this (I would not bring him up to 60). Ursala might work well for this set-up (I would bring her up to 60 as she is very strong)

Also: Ascending items with less than 6* is just a waste of ressources. If I actually try to ascend an item, I go for Gauntlets with Crit dam frist, than Boots with Speed, than Chests and Gauntlets with Attr%

Iron Twins, Sand devil and Hydra are endgame content. You have played for less than 4 months but you have some top-notched champs like Teodor, Riho, Madame, Aniri, Ursala, Umbral, Dhukk, Psylar, Annabelle. They are great and worth concentrating on. However, now you need the equipment to match your champs...and that means a period of grinding, smithing and clanbossing.


Jan 27, 2023, 11:3301/27/23
10/30/22
16

F*** Ya,thanks for all the advice, seriously thanks for telling me to stop messing with nightmare also because I've wasted too much energy and waaaaay too many hours struggling just on that alone. 

I just leveled ranked up DHUKK to 6* now an GEARGRINDER to rank 5*

I'll take your guys agreed on advice and rank up URSULA & ORN today also I just need to decide which of my 5* to use for food, at least DHUKK is done already.  After I get Ursula and orn ranked up here shortly I need to decide what gear to put them in also. Cuz I've noticed how  much better RONDA with good gear that I leveled up to 16, she's a lot stronger ,faster and lasts longer. I'm hoping GEARGRINDER I have ranked Up to 5* can last as a support champ until I can get Ursula ranked up to 6 stars later today.

is there a specific set of gear to use for my support like GEARGRINDER and URSALA to help them last amd keep my damage dealer alive longer??  You guys are Rad , already noticing a difference. I have gone back to spider den level 10 yet until I have a whole team ranked up to 6* to fight it then.    Thanks again, I'm glad i finally found this forum, it's helped me more than anything else thus far, you guys are giving legendarybadvice and it's so much appreciated 

Jan 27, 2023, 11:3801/27/23
10/30/22
16
Matrim

I would recommend bringing Teodor to 60. Equip him with regeneration and immortal set and he can run Dragon/Ice Golem solo with some food.

I would not recoomend using many of your 5* at the moment...personally, I do not see any use in Cataphract, Hollow and Diabolist (can be regained easily) and would use those and 2 additional food (Possibly Baroth and Draugh)

Use this to farm Dragon to get better gear. Do not keep anything below 5* equipment. For higher Spider levels, you are lacking the AoE HP burner at the moment...work on your tag team medals to eventually get Drexthar. It might also work with Ultimate Galek, but he needs some setup for this (I would not bring him up to 60). Ursala might work well for this set-up (I would bring her up to 60 as she is very strong)

Also: Ascending items with less than 6* is just a waste of ressources. If I actually try to ascend an item, I go for Gauntlets with Crit dam frist, than Boots with Speed, than Chests and Gauntlets with Attr%

Iron Twins, Sand devil and Hydra are endgame content. You have played for less than 4 months but you have some top-notched champs like Teodor, Riho, Madame, Aniri, Ursala, Umbral, Dhukk, Psylar, Annabelle. They are great and worth concentrating on. However, now you need the equipment to match your champs...and that means a period of grinding, smithing and clanbossing.


Yes I def wasted alot of silver and hours grinding to waste resources on worthless gear. what should I gear dhukk in

same ? What gear for Geargrinder and then ursula and ORN.  Thanks guys

harleQuinnModerator
Jan 27, 2023, 11:4601/27/23
02/24/19
7825
oocinsocal

Yes I def wasted alot of silver and hours grinding to waste resources on worthless gear. what should I gear dhukk in

same ? What gear for Geargrinder and then ursula and ORN.  Thanks guys

Hi there. Dhukk is an example of stats over sets. You want to try and get him to 170+ speed, 200+ accuracy, 100% Crit Rate and good Defense. Mine on that baby account is 36k HP, 3.9k defense, 215 speed, 100% CR, 150% CD and 268 accuracy.

Geargrinder I would stop working on. He's not a champ you will use long term.

Just build Ursala 200+ speed with great defense and HP. If you can get that in Regen or with an Immortal set or two, it'll help her stay up too.

For comparison, my Snicktraak is a big Support/Tank for that baby account and he runs with 82k HP, 2.4k Defense, 223 speed, 282 accuracy. If I could get all that with 3k+ defense I'd be happy.

Jan 27, 2023, 12:0201/27/23
09/14/20
988
harleQuinn

Hi there. Dhukk is an example of stats over sets. You want to try and get him to 170+ speed, 200+ accuracy, 100% Crit Rate and good Defense. Mine on that baby account is 36k HP, 3.9k defense, 215 speed, 100% CR, 150% CD and 268 accuracy.

Geargrinder I would stop working on. He's not a champ you will use long term.

Just build Ursala 200+ speed with great defense and HP. If you can get that in Regen or with an Immortal set or two, it'll help her stay up too.

For comparison, my Snicktraak is a big Support/Tank for that baby account and he runs with 82k HP, 2.4k Defense, 223 speed, 282 accuracy. If I could get all that with 3k+ defense I'd be happy.

This is sound advice, if we consider that epic champions are much easier to book. 

If however you have some legendary books somehow...Teodor instead of Orn

harleQuinnModerator
Jan 27, 2023, 14:4601/27/23
02/24/19
7825
Matrim

This is sound advice, if we consider that epic champions are much easier to book. 

If however you have some legendary books somehow...Teodor instead of Orn

Yes, I recommend Orn specifically because he and Teo do basically the same job but Orn is significantly less resource intensive to ascend and book.

If the OP doesn't mind buying some legendary books though, then Teo is a good choice.

Jan 27, 2023, 21:0601/27/23
10/30/22
16
harleQuinn

Yes, I recommend Orn specifically because he and Teo do basically the same job but Orn is significantly less resource intensive to ascend and book.

If the OP doesn't mind buying some legendary books though, then Teo is a good choice.

yes I actually have several books of both epic and legendar.  so it seems the consensus is DHUKK then Teodore then Ursula and Orn to follow.   DHUKK is already now at 6*  so I'll get started on Teodore and Ursula now.

Thanks again guys, greatly appreciated 🤘🏻🙏🏻

Jan 27, 2023, 21:0901/27/23
10/30/22
16

Oh and what gear is recommend for my 6* DHUKK to make him effective 

Jan 27, 2023, 23:5401/27/23
Jan 28, 2023, 00:08(edited)
10/15/20
2041
oocinsocal

Oh and what gear is recommend for my 6* DHUKK to make him effective 

100% crit rate, otherwise he provides only atk debuff and no def debuff. Accuracy to land his debuff (at least dungeon level x 10). Enough Speed to go before your damage dealer.

Prefer the right stats over the (small) setbonus. If you can complete a set, fine. But not for the price of using a bad artifact just because it's from the right set. If your Dhukk ends up with 6 artifacts from 6 different sets, than it's like that.

Gloves crit rate main stat, chest armor either accuracy or def% main stat, boots speed main stat. Good sub stats in the following oder: crit rate (until you reach 100%), accuracy, speed, def%, crit dam.



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Here is my Dhukk for example. Maybe not the best example to show the "stats over sets" approach 😗, but the sets I use actually help to get the stats I want. Without the crit rate set, he would be below 100%, Perception gives accuracy and speed, and def is his damage main stat and important for survivability, and the helm is a good one with 20% crit dam, spd, def%, hp% substats.