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Jan 13, 2023, 15:4701/13/23
11/20/22
84

Vogoth passive

Hey guys!

Quick question: does Vogoth need ACC to land his leech? It comes from his passive, and it says "places", so I guess not...

I'm just curious, cause I need ACC fro decrease attack anyways

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Jan 13, 2023, 15:5301/13/23
07/08/19
981

he does need accuracy. unless it explicitely states that it cannot be resisted, all debuffs (and similar effects such as tm decrease or cooldown increasing effects) require accuracy to be placed.

Jan 13, 2023, 15:5601/13/23
11/20/22
84

All right, thank you for info! :D

Jan 13, 2023, 15:5801/13/23
06/25/20
6641

I'm not sure where / who spread that piece of poor information, but I really wish Plarium would just make an announcement and tell everyone "hey guys, please stop putting any thought into the word "places"".

The word means nothing. It doesn't have any extra context. It is 100% synonymous with any other word you could use instead. Call it "applies". Or "lands". Or "puts a nice shiny red icon on your enemy".

There are two key things when it comes to debuffs. First - does it explicitly state it cannot be resisted. That is the *only* time that a debuff does not need accuracy. And, second, does the application of the debuff happen as a consequence of an attack. If the answer to that is yes, then if the attack is a weak hit, the debuff will not be applied.

Just to further emphasise that latter point - this means that even if the debuff explicitly states it cannot be resisted, it will still fail to land if the hit is a weak hit

Jan 13, 2023, 16:2401/13/23
11/20/22
84

Okay. I think I confused it with the weak hit problem. If a champ "places" a debuff, it cannot be a weak hit, cause the champ doesn't attack, only tries to debuff, so only ACC matters

Jan 13, 2023, 16:3901/13/23
07/08/19
981
Wandor

Okay. I think I confused it with the weak hit problem. If a champ "places" a debuff, it cannot be a weak hit, cause the champ doesn't attack, only tries to debuff, so only ACC matters

the terminology is the same either way. regardless of whether or not the skill involves an attack, it is still described as placing a debuff.

case in point:

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Jan 13, 2023, 17:2801/13/23
06/25/20
6641
Wandor

Okay. I think I confused it with the weak hit problem. If a champ "places" a debuff, it cannot be a weak hit, cause the champ doesn't attack, only tries to debuff, so only ACC matters

Incorrect. Though Carpe already provided a perfect clarification, so I'll just yield to that answer.

Jan 13, 2023, 18:4801/13/23
11/20/22
84
kramaswamy.kr

Incorrect. Though Carpe already provided a perfect clarification, so I'll just yield to that answer.

Although I understand what you may assume to be incorrect, if you read it thoroughly, you see that I wrote champ doesn't attack

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like this. So you tell me, can this be a weak hit? Because what I wrote was concerning this matter

I don't have this kind of champ, so no experience with this mechaninc

Jan 13, 2023, 18:5301/13/23
12/19/19
6301
Wandor

Although I understand what you may assume to be incorrect, if you read it thoroughly, you see that I wrote champ doesn't attack

i

like this. So you tell me, can this be a weak hit? Because what I wrote was concerning this matter

I don't have this kind of champ, so no experience with this mechaninc

Correct

Jan 13, 2023, 19:0101/13/23
Jan 13, 2023, 19:02(edited)
06/25/20
6641
Wandor

Although I understand what you may assume to be incorrect, if you read it thoroughly, you see that I wrote champ doesn't attack

i

like this. So you tell me, can this be a weak hit? Because what I wrote was concerning this matter

I don't have this kind of champ, so no experience with this mechaninc

All that matters is whether it is an attack or not. The word "places" is irrelevant. If it's not an attack, it cannot be a weak hit, and therefore, affinity does not matter.

Your phrasing made it sound like you assumed if the word "places" is used, it implicitly means it does not involve an attack - which is incorrect, as Carpe pointed out.

Jan 28, 2023, 15:4901/28/23
10/15/20
2041

Do spam bots use ChatGPT now, to hide their spam links in a text that looks as if it would refer to the thread they posted in?

Jan 28, 2023, 16:2301/28/23
11/20/22
84

Lol, what the heck? If it doesn't bother anyone this thread can be closed by an admin