Ive noticed this, surely it has to be a bug.

1 shadow lancer killed more undead at def bg than a higher lvl elf mage. 

it is not a bug or anything.

That is how all plarium games all , well i would say how all games are. Defensive units stats are lower than compared to offensive. As per my calculation the over all (Avg.) is 2.2 defensive to one offensive units.

if you are going to be defensive you need to train more defensive troops & in addition to that i know you guyz already have seen that defensive troops take less resources to build and some takes less time as well.

Fazi said:

it is not a bug or anything.

That is how all plarium games all , well i would say how all games are. Defensive units stats are lower than compared to offensive. As per my calculation the over all (Avg.) is 2.2 defensive to one offensive units.

if you are going to be defensive you need to train more defensive troops & in addition to that i know you guyz already have seen that defensive troops take less resources to build and some takes less time as well.

• Well i play stormfall and soldiers and comparing similar unit types something is clearly different.
  

Thank you for pointing out pink bitz but i see some discrepancies in there such as levels, one defensive is level 18 while one offense is level 11.

I play pirates & nords and in both games units are like this. Offensive are more costly, more time to build & more strong, while defensive are less costly, less time to build & less strong.

I am not sure if you have compared same units type & basic ones or what so i would like to have a 2nd opinion on that from someone who plays it & also compare the same levels not higher & lowers.

Quick reminder: 

http://forum.plarium.com/en/nords-heroes-of-the-north-browser/game-discussion/topics/your-voice-is-needed--units-characteristics-/1/#46376/

So, even though players provided Plarium with almost undivided feedback about this idea, they pushed it forward nevertheless.

That thread is 7 months old, so i don't think it has been taken into consideration. But we have one similar discussion going on in Pirates as well right now, will see what our CM can do in this regard.

Ignore the lvl bonus. The base stats were so clearly different in pre update Nords, ie they had comparable values to stormfall/soldiers units. 

Now they have completely changed. I lold when i saw that my Shadowlancers have more defence than higher lvl Rockwings. 

I’m sorry, but I don’t find the tread irrelevant. It’s the same game, more or less same players, but definitely same bad idea.

You could argue about its irrelevance, but only in case of drastic short attention disorder of those dismissing this input.

http://forum.plarium.com/en/nords-heroes-of-the-north-browser/news-and-announcements/topics/bugfix-03-17---update-news-/1/#109170/

http://forum.plarium.com/en/nords-heroes-of-the-north-browser/news-and-announcements/topics/awesome-new-game-changes--make-your-stronghold-mightier-/1/#109381/

 Wonder why there is no mention of such a MAJOR change to unit stats in either of the above threads.

every plarium game the offense has an advantage over defense

because defense we can defend our bases and or our clans with great force ( if you work as a team among your clan ) 

but to send offense out you have to do individually the force isn't as great as defense working together 

reason why defense alone isn't as strong 

every plarium game the offense has an advantage over defense

because defense we can defend our bases and or our clans with great force ( if you work as a team among your clan ) 

but to send offense out you have to do individually the force isn't as great as defense working together 

reason why defense alone isn't as strong 

hey :)

I ran the numbers on the new DEF stats for attack units... its still CLEARLY advantageous to train def for defensive purposes. For example.. my lvl 19 rockwings.. i can train 622 def per training hour... now compare that with my lvl 19 firedrakes (and a 10% OFF bonus on top)... which sits about 406 def per hour.

(OFF troops have roughly 70% of their attk value as def and vice versa for DEF troops)

People are forgetting that OFF troop training times are MUCH longer... the only real comparison is to calculate how much def you can produce per hour for each troop type.

For my troops i get 45-60% more def per hr training DEF troops versus OFF troops... my gear on both are roughly the same.

DEF Troops in the long run are a better investment, especially for those who have HIGH DEF bonus at their strongholds.. you gain 3-6x move pvp defending than attacking in later stages of the game. OFF has the advantage early on but those with lots of def in their castle who get hit will be laughing all the way to the bank.

One "strategy" is to train junk def and park them in a castle with high def bonus... and choose kings shadow lancers as your reward. You'll have a nice collection in no time lol with minimal def troop loss.

I personally think this is a GOOD change... im tired of ppl whinging about losing all their attack troops and quitting. Now that ATTK troops have decent defence, it keeps the game more interesting. well done Plarium!!

Mattius said:

hey :)

I ran the numbers on the new DEF stats for attack units... its still CLEARLY advantageous to train def for defensive purposes. For example.. my lvl 19 rockwings.. i can train 622 def per training hour... now compare that with my lvl 19 firedrakes (and a 10% OFF bonus on top)... which sits about 406 def per hour.

(OFF troops have roughly 70% of their attk value as def and vice versa for DEF troops)

People are forgetting that OFF troop training times are MUCH longer... the only real comparison is to calculate how much def you can produce per hour for each troop type.

For my troops i get 45-60% more def per hr training DEF troops versus OFF troops... my gear on both are roughly the same.

DEF Troops in the long run are a better investment, especially for those who have HIGH DEF bonus at their strongholds.. you gain 3-6x move pvp defending than attacking in later stages of the game. OFF has the advantage early on but those with lots of def in their castle who get hit will be laughing all the way to the bank.

One "strategy" is to train junk def and park them in a castle with high def bonus... and choose kings shadow lancers as your reward. You'll have a nice collection in no time lol with minimal def troop loss.

I personally think this is a GOOD change... im tired of ppl whinging about losing all their attack troops and quitting. Now that ATTK troops have decent defence, it keeps the game more interesting. well done Plarium!!

Thank you mattius for helping out, That is what i tried to explain here : http://forum.plarium.com/en/nords-heroes-of-the-north-browser/game-discussion/topics/the-point-of-investing-in-defense-units-/1/#109579/

But your reply just made it sound more clear :)

+1

hey :)

I ran the numbers on the new DEF stats for attack units... its still CLEARLY advantageous to train def for defensive purposes. For example.. my lvl 19 rockwings.. i can train 622 def per training hour... now compare that with my lvl 19 firedrakes (and a 10% OFF bonus on top)... which sits about 406 def per hour.

(OFF troops have roughly 70% of their attk value as def and vice versa for DEF troops)

People are forgetting that OFF troop training times are MUCH longer... the only real comparison is to calculate how much def you can produce per hour for each troop type.

For my troops i get 45-60% more def per hr training DEF troops versus OFF troops... my gear on both are roughly the same.

DEF Troops in the long run are a better investment, especially for those who have HIGH DEF bonus at their strongholds.. you gain 3-6x move pvp defending than attacking in later stages of the game. OFF has the advantage early on but those with lots of def in their castle who get hit will be laughing all the way to the bank.

One "strategy" is to train junk def and park them in a castle with high def bonus... and choose kings shadow lancers as your reward. You'll have a nice collection in no time lol with minimal def troop loss.

I personally think this is a GOOD change... im tired of ppl whinging about losing all their attack troops and quitting. Now that ATTK troops have decent defence, it keeps the game more interesting. well done Plarium!!