the new feature that plarium added this week

league gifts,where one player purchases a certain pack it also give some free gifts to not only buyer,but also the whole league too

this was one of the best features i have ever seen in a long time

this was praiseworthy so i thank u from all 160 members of our league !

u do a good thing or two in a while too plarium  this was a joke . loved all the new additions so far

a great addition to the game,please repeat this every event on schedule

The post where it was explained how ludicrously unbalanced this update is have been deleted.

I am not surprised you are championing the update. You are in a mega coining league and support all the features that create greater and greater imbalance in the game.

You are getting an absurd amount of free stuff, what other reaction could one expect than. loving all the free stuff.

I'll make my own post with the facts and analysis which clearly show this is a no-brainer disaster, rather than fill up your thread with it.

Oracle said:a few paragrahs

moderators ,first message is to u guys,i ask that please u remove the link as its not of the subject and derailing the topic(if its withing the rules and possibe)

and Oracle,Oh WoW. 

in the original post made by biohazard,i have a snapshot of u saying ur okay with this if its put into an event

ah and dnt worry if the game is to end,this,will not be the cause ! 

also i have reasons to support everything i said about this feature being good which i will state once i see opp is done with their reasons !

this feature is a nice addition to the game !

so many people asid we will quit the game if beacon massacre didnt stop and yet they stayed for 2 more years and well now people started saying game will end and etc ! this feature will game the end,that thing will end the game ! when flash stops, game wont exist ! and yet everyone is still here.oracle i honestly dnt mean anything by this towards u !

also everyone says i dnt spend,and looks down on people who does !!! okay if a platform owner dsnt get any profit why would they hold onto a game ? these coiners u look down on are paying for all the costs !  the argue would be yes u dnt disagree too but how much coining !!!! i have reasons for that too

most people play the game for what its for,have fun ! and as long as everyone has friends here,they will have fun ! this game wont end ! a game,any game,not this ,a game stops only when there is no fun ! as long as people dnt kill fun of it, game will stand

i will stand with this game ! cause well,u know,its fun ! i will stand against anyone who tries to take the fun out of this great game !

i love this game and this is a great feature for so many reason im willing to argue with !

Hello Lords and Ladies , please don't forget this is a game , and a game should bring fun passing the time , there are things in the game which we like and somtehing which we don't like ... but when we accepted the terms for playing this game ,we accepted too that the devs can change the game how they think is better ! 

Me personally i love this game , and i spend a lot of time on it , and there are a lot of things which i like !

DJ Moody said:

Mic999 said:

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Brawl rewards at the 20m level are 5 times what you can build in a week. The leagues that score that level are supported by serious spending. Whether it be the people willing to do loss making BGs and buy back losses, or just outright speed boosting of troops, arts buildings etc for immediate points. In my server the only leagues scoring 20m are obvious ones supported by big spending.

Same leagues also reached floor 100 in the tower first. Free holy bond for each members. At the time that was only achievable by spending in the thousands of dollars level (good now that it is effectively free to play)

u didnt tell me my knowledge rank :p

ah these are good for someone not willing to post here.not that i mind

glad u brought these up too ! iv taken a snapshot of a brawl to just show others its possible to do so even without or at least with fun lvl spending

glad u also mentioned fun lvl spending too.this was part of my argue about why this feature is good based on snapshots of u and ur side (not agreeing to this feature)

this explanations ill post will be just so great to let people read   this feature is one the best ones iv ever seen ! 

And for the record,, I don't like it..

DJ Moody said:

Despite it being totally obvious to me these posts are rule breaking, they haven't been dealt with.

In fact a Mod simply congratulated him on his flaming and trolling of me by posting:

The community manager needs to realize something.Many players are coming back to the game and will visit the forum. Whatever happens here NOW, will define Plarium as a brand forever to this players that were absent for over 2 years or more. She can save the game, plarium, and forums. Or she can do nothing.

Players should not bring their ingame personal battles into the forum. The forum should be a safe, secure space for all players to express themselves freely about the game. You do not use your influence in the game to validate your opinion in the forum. The forum is not a property of ANY league or coalition. Its a property of all players and layers should not be discriminated against. 

Lol.

Plarium self nerfed the offer giveaway.

I thought it would take them a few runs to realise it was going to canibalise their revenue stream. given the giveaway was so huge. It seemed a bad sign that all the threads doing the maths to point out how unabalance the over giveway was going to be were deleted.

But actually someone at Plarium did add it up and now it is adjusted to a sensible level.

You still get some stuff. The ability to help your leagues mates is still enabled. Just not to a ridiculously overpowered level.

Thanks for getting this one right.

as long as everyone is happy 

i thought this feature was great cause it was

its always like this ! players see a feature,do calculations and think of it as a bad feature based on their understanding.with the factors they put in equation

wait,give it some time ,see what happens

i wouldnt mind if it was even nerfed,if it was what most people wanted,not just because what a few people who are most present in forum wanted

anyways im happy that now everyone is happy too with time limited ofers for every account 

Lol.

Plarium self nerfed the offer giveaway.

I thought it would take them a few runs to realise it was going to canibalise their revenue stream. given the giveaway was so huge. It seemed a bad sign that all the threads doing the maths to point out how unabalance the over giveway was going to be were deleted.

But actually someone at Plarium did add it up and now it is adjusted to a sensible level.

You still get some stuff. The ability to help your leagues mates is still enabled. Just not to a ridiculously overpowered level.

Thanks for getting this one right.

Lords and Ladies, 

As I can see, a couple of last comments have nothing common to the original purpose of this thread. I would like to ask you to avoid breaking the forum rules and not to go into personals otherwise it may lead to a ban. 

As for the main idea of this thread, one man's meat is another man's poison. Rest assured that both positive and negative feedback will be forwarded to the team. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this new feature in the game. Happy gaming! 

Oracle said:

Furry said

moderators ,first message is to u guys,i ask that please u remove the link as its not of the subject and derailing the topic(if its withing the rules and possibe)

This is all the evidence we need to see why the forum degraded over the last two years......

It might be all the evidence you need but its not all the evidence of systemic bias that is in the thread.

There is a post that doesn't discuss any of the issues in the thread. It doesn't do this because the post is almost solely focused on personally insulting my character. 

In it are bunch of quotes that are attributed to me which aren't real quotes. And I literally just got off another thread where the same thing happened and views which I had never aired or were even remotely close to what I had actually said were atrributed to me and then used to denegrate my character. Nothing happened on that thread either.

I didn't rise to the any of the bait and simply gave a calm and thoughtful post in response.

Did that de-escalate things. No. I just got flamed and trolled again, this time a post dripping in sarcasm (also explicitly called out in the rules just like personal insults).

so u bring up all these just not to say if its game knowledge im good ,not gonna give my knowledge a rank,or nor i will bring multiverse theories or what aristotle said in front of ur arguments ! 

Despite it being totally obvious to me these posts are rule breaking, they haven't been dealt with.

In fact a Mod simply sided with him (because they have shared opinions and become friendly) on his flaming and trolling of me by posting:

For the Record Mate you shouldn't need to defend your thank you post to Plarium some people live to complain I would just ignore the negativity 

I have to give credit to that the mod concerned has been trying quite hard to stay out of things after the debacle thread of two weeks ago.

But this is a deeply insulting comment. Its probably not intended as a flame and troll but boy is it ever one.

No attempt to address any ideas or opinions just a completely unjustified and unsubstantiated attack on people's characters. Out an out personal insult. And that same trope has come out many many times, it's not just this post. Everything you contribute can be passed over in a blaisae way, not based on the merit of what you said but by some assessment of your character (a totally inaccurate assessment as well).

So a failure to address real trolling and flaming and compounding it by adding to the flaming and trolling.

I don't really care, the daft comments don't hurt me. When people can only resort to personal insults they have lost the argument and just make themselves look silly.

But the completely unfairness and reasonableness, that its allowed to happen by Plarium annoys the hell out of me on a daily basis (as someone who has literally be banned hundreds of times for "rules breaking" - when you see real rule breaking - nothing happens). 

I get the impression that based in a deeply flawed and irrational way I have been labelled as a "bad person" and that in some people's minds that means anything that happens to me here can now be justified, no matter how unreasonable, unfair, unjust and potentially hurtful. I am a sinner so I don't count.

I have to say, at least the complete injustice of several weeks ago actually got recognised and dealt with. So at least there might be some hope for improvement.

As I said in my now-deleted comment. 

I do not have any feelings about this new feature. I have recognized that the game is too broken and we need to start over. 

Start over, or play the game again Mic999 is what we call Endgame in MMORPG games. The game ends, they crown a winning league and winning players, and developers make a new game, like the old game and we play for another 7 years.  Please google Endgame before you delete comments next time. 

I have given many reasons why I don't support the new feature but at the same time not against it. My comment was deleted. But the main reason why I don't take any position on this new feature is that it is not going to fix the already broken game or have any positive impact on the game. At the same time it is not going to have any negative impacts beyond what is already the evident problem of the game: COINING.

A couple of weeks ago, a 3 man league, captured a beacon from Knight Templar, one of the oldest Leagues in the game. When we talk about game features we need to analyze them with regards to the status of the game. KT losing a beacon to a small 3 man league is the problem. Now we need to ask ourselves, will this feature fix the problem. The answer is no. 

This is my opinion. I am not forcing it on ANYONE. If you don't like it, that is OK. But don't tell moderators in your league to delete the comment because you don't like MY opinion. ITS MY OPINION. You are allowed to have your opinion. 

Furry said

moderators ,first message is to u guys,i ask that please u remove the link as its not of the subject and derailing the topic(if its withing the rules and possibe)

This is all the evidence we need to see why the forum degraded over the last two years. The forum is not your league chat Fury, its a place where payers communicate about the game. You are not forced to read my comments. If you don't like a comment you skip it, you don't tell a moderator to delete it because you don't like the comment. 

Please stop using moderators to fight your personal in-game battles. You are destroying the forum. You don't have to agree with anyone, and no one should agree with you. You don't tell your mini moderators to delete comments because you don't like them. 

Why did you even start this topic if you are just going to bully players that don't agree with you? This is a forum, lets other players talk about the game how they feel like it. STOP IT. 

DJ Moody said:

fURY said:

what skill am i ? as a man answer me this !!! from just my tutorials and my posts wha is my skill lvl in ur point of view ? honest ! 

I am more than happy to give you a straight answer to that here if you really want, especially as my manhood is on the line for it  

I think it might be better if we met up in TS, which will probably force us to listen to what each other has to say, treat each other like human beings because it's face to face (so to speak) and come to some mutual common ground where we can potentially disagree on ideas but respect each other as people.

So it's quite possible with utter confidence to "know/see" that someone else is completely wrong about something whilst still being none the wiser as to whether your are right.

And if I can understand that, then I don't think I can possible be the person you want to paint me out to be.

so u bring up all these just not to say if its game knowledge im good ,not gonna give my knowledge a rank,or nor i will bring multiverse theories or what aristotle said in front of ur arguments ! 

i will just say i wont allow anyone make changes to this great feature who majority love.tired of all these discussions with u which lead nowhere

u dnt like this feature,i love it

fURY said:

what skill am i ? as a man answer me this !!! from just my tutorials and my posts wha is my skill lvl in ur point of view ? honest ! 

I am more than happy to give you a straight answer to that here if you really want, especially as my manhood is on the line for it  

I think it might be better if we met up in TS, which will probably force us to listen to what each other has to say, treat each other like human beings because it's face to face (so to speak) and come to some mutual common ground where we can potentially disagree on ideas but respect each other as people.

As to your general point about me being an arrogant, big head, who doesn't listen to what anyone has to say.

I can drive a car. It might be easy for me to feel after many years of it I am an expert in cars. But actually I have no idea how the engine works, I certainly can't fix it, not a modern car anyway.

Life is like that too. You know a lot. You can achieve a lot. be successful in many different ways.. But actually none of us has any idea, why we are here, what the universe is, whether there is a god or an afterlife. We are all absolute noobs when it comes to understanding reality. And we should take humility from that, absolutely pointless to have arrogance.

But having said that, I know I can see and recognise other people who can't drive. Whether they are just too under-confident and won't pull out into easy gaps. Drive in the middle lane of motorways because changing lanes is too difficult for them, or drive stupidly aggressively and dangerously because they are way too over-confident in their abilities.

So there is a weird rub of things.While knowing next to nothing, it's still possible to identify ppl that know less than you. It's not not possible to know how many other people are looking at you like that, because its just not objectively possible to know what you don't know and correctly rank yourself on the scale.

If you put that in the context of discussing ideas on the forum, then it';s possible to see other people who are outright "wrong" in their opinions. To be clear, that means the logical and rationale used to reached their opinion is either seriously flawed or just chooses to ignore (or is unaware of) significant other aspects, evidence and facts relevant to the point.

Now interestingly that isn't the same thing as saying their opinion is "wrong". Just that they don't hold a strong enough rational or logical position for them to justify their opinion. There may exist, or someone else could make, far better and more persuasive and complete arguments in favor of their opinion. It's just the ones they used aren't the good valid ones.

So it's quite possible with utter confidence to "know/see" that someone else is completely wrong about something whilst still being none the wiser as to whether your are right.

And if I can understand that, then I don't think I can possible be the person you want to paint me out to be.

Mic999 said:

I see this game not in single version , but a game for a group , so the strong point is the league where you play , the actions which you can do together with the other members , 

and with a good organization you can defeat also the most big coiner , and that was done already many times ! 

So the game is not just for the coiner(s)  my Lord !
I wish you a good day and good battles !

Thanks for actually replying with your view and backing it up with a rationale. That is a sensible debate and I very much appreciate it..Here is my reaction to your points.

Bringing up leagues is a good example of somewhere where I think the game balance has been seriously eroded, in the last year or so.

Brawl rewards at the 20m level are 5 times what you can build in a week. The leagues that score that level are supported by serious spending. Whether it be the people willing to do loss making BGs and buy back losses, or just outright speed boosting of troops, arts buildings etc for immediate points. In my server the only leagues scoring 20m are obvious ones supported by big spending.

Same leagues also reached floor 100 in the tower first. Free holy bond for each members. At the time that was only achievable by spending in the thousands of dollars level (good now that it is effectively free to play)

The spending in the league yields free league chests for all members and now with this update will be a HUGE number of free troops and sapphires. The level of free troops could be as much as 34 times what you can build in a week (the calculation for that figure is in one of the hidden posts btw if you want to understand where I get it from).

As a result a significant majority of growing players end up in one of the coining leagues. They just make the rationale choice that to be successful in the game they need to be part of the advantage because, when it's going to be x5 faster growth in a coining league (with this update significantly more), there is no hope to competing from outside.

And that is sad, because the league meta game was one of the last areas where a skillful player could work a significant advantage over money.

For at least for the first 3 years or so the league rankings were largely determined by the leagues with the most skill, knowledge and experience. Money was a factor and having a big spender would be an advantage but ability to perform in diplo, spying, organise your league, motivate your players, communicate effectively, work out the game mechanics and spread hints and tips, run organised beacon takedowns, know the siege mechanics so you never lose troops you can't afford etc etc.

Now none of that really matters. You can do none of that, have no understanding of key game mechanics and run a top league. It's a self prophicing loop, the spending happens, it attracts new decent players to join because of the level of free stuff and so the loop continues. You can achieve that without ever sending out a single league mail or doing anything to actually effectively run the league, or have any deep understanding of the game or the meta game.

Out of the top 10 leagues in my server, all of them except one are run by big coiners, or in the case of a couple, people that are engaging in a significant amount of account trading (which doesn't entail mega coining but it does entail spending a lot more than a usual hobby level player)..

DJ Moody said:

Do you not recognise that this game already provides a significant advantage to coining?

Is it not therefore a possibility that the game might be at risk of approaching the tipping point?

So do we want to have a sensible debate, or just splurge out propaganda to support all imbalance and delete or contrary views, because we are totally biased and are in a league where we can benefit from it and to hell with other people's fun and to dark with the health of the game as a whole?

Because everyone's fun really is at stake on this issue.

I see this game not in single version , but a game for a group , so the strong point is the league where you play , the actions which you can do together with the other members , 

and with a good organization you can defeat also the most big coiner , and that was done already many times ! 

So the game is not just for the coiner(s)  my Lord !
I wish you a good day and good battles !

DJ Moody said:

Say we rank player skill, knowledge and experience from 1 to 10.

Two evenly matched players, the one who spends will win. That is just the way it is.

But should the level of advantage allow a skill 4 player to overcome a skill 6 player (two reasonable closely matched average players)?

How about skill 3 (a weak player) verus a skill 7 (probably a pretty reasonable player)?

What about skill 1 being able to streamroller skill 10? No matter how good you are, you can't resist or compete.

Were do you rank Stormfall on that scale?

Do you recognise there is a point the advantage money buys can break a game, leaving it a largely pointless exercise for neatly everyone qho tries it?

Do you not recognise that this game already provides a significant advantage to coining?

I can assure you i'm not a coiner , and i was in the weekly top rank for many many times , i won a lot rewards in various tournaments , and there are coiners which didn't earned my achievements yet in the game !  

Not always spending money offer you fun and doesn't give you the victory !