Aegon Targaryen said:

The weekly Mar'eth Quest for Dailies now requires 30 instead of 25? What gives?  The 2 hamlet quests and the helping 20 league members quest have yet to be replaced with quests that actually have a realistic chance of completion.

Hello!

The requirement for Weekly Quest was updated long time ago. 

You don't receive the same set of Quests for several days in a row, they're changing and allow you to complete 30 required Quests without any issues.

And you'll soon notice they do not always give the 5 quests,,, some times 4 or 3. i've heard low as 2  but not seen it personally.

roadstar Pitbull said:

And you'll soon notice they do not always give the 5 quests,,, some times 4 or 3. i've heard low as 2  but not seen it personally.

This information is correct for FB servers, for plarium.com servers devs didn't change anything in Mar'eth's Quests mechanics in this update.

Aegon Targaryen said:

The weekly Mar'eth Quest for Dailies now requires 30 instead of 25? What gives?  The 2 hamlet quests and the helping 20 league members quest have yet to be replaced with quests that actually have a realistic chance of completion.

Hello!

The requirement for Weekly Quest was updated long time ago. 

You don't receive the same set of Quests for several days in a row, they're changing and allow you to complete 30 required Quests without any issues.

Alina Phoenix said:

Hello.

I'm sorry for the confusion, you're right. The number of Quests increased, but it wasn't done on purpose 

In the very near future, devs are going to release a fix for it and return the requirement that we had before - 25 Daily Quests for Weekly one.

Excellent!!

Thanks for the update.

Good to hear about going back to 25.  I could almost always get that, but 30 is impossible.  This week I got all 3's. 

yep, sometimes is a bit confusing what is in updated on each game (fb/plarium) so its easy dont remember which one is with one update or other

so lets hope all lords could complete their tasks in an easy way

Snowgoon said:

Futrikelv said:

roadstar Pitbull said:

Alina Phoenix said:

roadstar Pitbull said:

And you'll soon notice they do not always give the 5 quests,,, some times 4 or 3. i've heard low as 2  but not seen it personally.

This information is correct for FB servers, for plarium.com servers devs didn't change anything in Mar'eth's Quests mechanics in this update.

Better have yet another talk to your "developers".

Yes, as Roadstar Pitbull said, have another talk with devs.

This is the first I've seen on plarium.com - server 2 with 30 dailies for weekly since the update. It was 25 prior.

And I agree, there should be different sections for Plarium and Facebook. As many updates regarding Facebook does not apply to plarium.com

Tell me, as one of the dailies requires me to add time to my Paragon status, that is by the way already active? More greed???

I've seen as low as 3 dailies this week, 4 and max 5. Hope I will not see 2. Minimum was 4 prior to the latest update.

I also agree with OP's statement, why have that pesky league help request 20/30, when you have or are in a league that is well developed. It is not possible to complete it. Though, there is a way to help that, add help request to Lost and Dragon Arts, upgrade/selling Hero items (Rise of Balur).

Facebook does not have a Forum - they have 2 useless Community pages where it is impossible to find any useful information because it gets burried by spam within minutes
There are too many Forums and Community pages - divide and conquer 

but the info from fb is that you can still use 30 minute Paragon Activators to complete this Mareth Quest

There is Official FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/402686013133425/ where all information is very easy to find.

All important posts I pin to the top, you can easity use Search option or check for the required information in the File Section.

Aegon Targaryen said:

Now if they will only stop giving the Paragon collection of quests to those of us with the active Paragon status.   Getting that Quest collection and the Hamlet quest collection more than once pretty much ends any hope of 25.  I found it hard to even get 20 last week.  Those hamlet quests really need to go the way of the dodo.

Mar'eth Quests are meant to be a challenge for players. Some of them you can easily complete within minutes others require more time and dedication.

Limad said:

Alina Phoenix said:

 

Aegon Targaryen said:

Now if they will only stop giving the Paragon collection of quests to those of us with the active Paragon status.   Getting that Quest collection and the Hamlet quest collection more than once pretty much ends any hope of 25.  I found it hard to even get 20 last week.  Those hamlet quests really need to go the way of the dodo.

Mar'eth Quests are meant to be a challenge for players. Some of them you can easily complete within minutes others require more time and dedication.

But even if you don't complete several Quests, you still will be able to finish Weekly/Monthly Quests. Their number is calculated in such way that players still have a room for Quests they can't complete. 

Hi Alina,

Until recently, Mar'eth quests were a nice little feature that rewarded daily activity and provided some nice bonuses along the way. The only real complaint players had was being asked to train troops that they hadn't discovered yet, but this was only really an issue for newer players and - as you said yourself on many occasions - this was designed as an incentive for players to discover those troops and become stronger etc etc. 

Roll forward to today and now new and old players are complaining daily about the recent changes. So, can you tell us what exactly was the problem with the old system that you guys were trying to resolve with these changes? And how exactly are these changes intended to resolve that problem?

Hello, Lord Limad!

The initial idea was the following: give Quests based on the player's account statistics. For example, if you have Paragon activated, you won't receive Quest on its activation as it's done already. 

Devs didn't take into account that such players would receive fewer Quests and won't be able to complete Weekly and Monthly Quests. It caused the issues, that's why they had to undo these changes.

The "Respond to 30 Building help requests from your League" quest didn't exist in the game before. 

It might as well be "Raid 1.1m Resources using 10 raids."

Aegon Targaryen said:

1) All Quests that exist now, existed in the game before.

2) The only change was done by mistake and it was the increase of Weekly Quests from 25 to 30 Quests.

Devs changed it back already :)

3) As for Paragon activation Quest, even if you don't complete this one, you still will be able to complete a required number of Quests for Weekly reward.

4) Plus, extra 30 minutes of Paragon won't do you any harm if you apply them to complete this Quest.

1) I agree 99%.

2) That is NOT the only change.   Prior to the past 2 weeks, the Paragon quest group NEVER appeared when the Paragon Bonus was already active at the Daily Server Reset.  Now, it does.  I've been playing either on Facebook or Plarium since the Mar'eth Quests were introduced, and the only time I ever received the Paragon Quest group was when my 30 PA ran out before Server Reset and I failed to reactivate it prior to Server Reset....which only happened maybe 3-4 times.

3) While it IS still possible, especially if I use alts or get lucky in my log in timing, the Weekly and Monthly 'daily' quests are now more difficult than they were previously.   So, if the reason the devs changed the code so that the Paragon Quest group would appear even when the Paragon is already active was an effort to make the Weekly and Monthly quests more achievable, then they failed in their intent.   They didn't make it easier.  They made it harder.

4) I don't think you understood my post.

      a)  First, using a 30 minute, 1 hour, or even a 1 day PA to complete the quest is not that big of a deal IF I have them.   However, if I do not have them, the quest can NOT be completed, as its impossible to buy a PA when one is already active.

      b)  Second, we should NOT have to spend a PA to complete a quest if the quest is ALREADY ACTIVE.   That is a silly requirement and has the potential to decrease revenue.   Depending on the Player's current needs, they may decide to avoid buying the 30 day PA on occasion.

Facebook players can complete a quest with an item bought with sapphires to get the quest to count numerically as completed, though the reward for the quest that was skipped is no longer given as it was when the feature was introduced.  Perhaps if this feature was implemented on Plarium platform, it would help, though it still doesn't explain away the ridiculousness of not having the PA quest automatically complete if the Paragon Bonus is already active.  Its also possible that some players will be cash strapped enough that they will be forced to choose between PA and paying for quest completions.  The PA gets more expensive with each Paragon level, so the scale of worth tilts further away from the PAs with each rise in Paragon level.

1. And what is your concern about 1%?

2. But you still received Quests that are given in this Group of Quests (maybe then were given in other sets). Without them you wouldn't have enough number of Quests to complete the Weekly one.

3. I don't argue their initial idea of making Quests working better - failed. They changed back everything they could change at the moment.

4. You're receiving PA as Reward in Tournaments. For now, it's the only way I see that can help you to complete the Quest without buying PA via Black market.

Alina Phoenix said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

1) All Quests that exist now, existed in the game before.

2) The only change was done by mistake and it was the increase of Weekly Quests from 25 to 30 Quests.

Devs changed it back already :)

3) As for Paragon activation Quest, even if you don't complete this one, you still will be able to complete a required number of Quests for Weekly reward.

4) Plus, extra 30 minutes of Paragon won't do you any harm if you apply them to complete this Quest.

1) I agree 99%.

2) That is NOT the only change.   Prior to the past 2 weeks, the Paragon quest group NEVER appeared when the Paragon Bonus was already active at the Daily Server Reset.  Now, it does.  I've been playing either on Facebook or Plarium since the Mar'eth Quests were introduced, and the only time I ever received the Paragon Quest group was when my 30 PA ran out before Server Reset and I failed to reactivate it prior to Server Reset....which only happened maybe 3-4 times.

3) While it IS still possible, especially if I use alts or get lucky in my log in timing, the Weekly and Monthly 'daily' quests are now more difficult than they were previously.   So, if the reason the devs changed the code so that the Paragon Quest group would appear even when the Paragon is already active was an effort to make the Weekly and Monthly quests more achievable, then they failed in their intent.   They didn't make it easier.  They made it harder.

4) I don't think you understood my post.

      a)  First, using a 30 minute, 1 hour, or even a 1 day PA to complete the quest is not that big of a deal IF I have them.   However, if I do not have them, the quest can NOT be completed, as its impossible to buy a PA when one is already active.

      b)  Second, we should NOT have to spend a PA to complete a quest if the quest is ALREADY ACTIVE.   That is a silly requirement and has the potential to decrease revenue.   Depending on the Player's current needs, they may decide to avoid buying the 30 day PA on occasion.

Facebook players can complete a quest with an item bought with sapphires to get the quest to count numerically as completed, though the reward for the quest that was skipped is no longer given as it was when the feature was introduced.  Perhaps if this feature was implemented on Plarium platform, it would help, though it still doesn't explain away the ridiculousness of not having the PA quest automatically complete if the Paragon Bonus is already active.  Its also possible that some players will be cash strapped enough that they will be forced to choose between PA and paying for quest completions.  The PA gets more expensive with each Paragon level, so the scale of worth tilts further away from the PAs with each rise in Paragon level.

1. And what is your concern about 1%?

2. But you still received Quests that are given in this Group of Quests (maybe then were given in other sets). Without them you wouldn't have enough number of Quests to complete the Weekly one.

3. I don't argue their initial idea of making Quests working better - failed. They changed back everything they could change at the moment.

4. You're receiving PA as Reward in Tournaments. For now, it's the only way I see that can help you to complete the Quest without buying PA via Black market.

5. This Item is a very useful thing and I hope devs will come up with idea on adding it to plarium.com servers as well.

1.)  I can neither confirm nor deny the prior existence of the help 30 league member quest, as I never saw it prior to the past 2 weeks.  So without having seen it, I can not say 100% agreement.

2.)  This is absolutely not true.  I have NEVER received any of those quests while my Paragon was active at Server Reset, until after the recent change, and I still was able to complete the Weekly 25 and Monthly 100.   The Mar'eth Quest sets have always had the same quests since they were first introduced.  The ONLY change (at least for players level 70+) was removing the 'Finish in top 10 of league quest' from one of the Daily sets (reducing that set to four), and adding it to the Weekly Mar'eth requirements.

      To clarify, the following quests are in the Paragon Quest group/set (level 70+):

             Quest 1)  Activate Paragon Bonus

             Quest 2)  Assist your league in an attack request (A league member must set one up to make this possible)

             Quest 3)  Help 20/30 league members with their building construction

             Quest 4)  Attack or Defend 6/5 Battlegrounds

             Quest 5)  Destroy 1500/4000 points of enemy units at Hamlets

       NEITHER of these 5 Mar'eth quests EVER appeared when the Paragon was already active at Server Reset until the recent change.   I was still able to complete the weekly 25 without them, and in fact, had a much easier time doing so.  Now that they appear even with the Paragon active, it is very difficult to obtain 25 in one week, much less 100 in a month.

3)  They changed everything back that they were able to?  They did not remove the Paragon Quest set from players with the Paragon already active at Server Reset.  I'm still getting it.  Are the devs not able to reverse their change on this?  Why not?

4)  On occasion, yes they are available in tournament rewards, but not all the time.   However, If I run out and do not have them on the day that the Paragon quest set is given to me, then I can NOT buy them on the black market.   The reason I am unable to buy a PA on the black market is because I already have the Paragon active.

5)  So do I.  I do my best to complete the quests, but sometimes, it just is not possible, and having the option would be nice.   Since the quest reward is no longer given when completing them this way, I hope that the cost of doing that is reduced a bit should it be added to Plarium. 

1) All Quests that exist now, existed in the game before.

2) The only change was done by mistake and it was the increase of Weekly Quests from 25 to 30 Quests.

Devs changed it back already :)

3) As for Paragon activation Quest, even if you don't complete this one, you still will be able to complete a required number of Quests for Weekly reward.

4) Plus, extra 30 minutes of Paragon won't do you any harm if you apply them to complete this Quest.

1) I agree 99%.

2) That is NOT the only change.   Prior to the past 2 weeks, the Paragon quest group NEVER appeared when the Paragon Bonus was already active at the Daily Server Reset.  Now, it does.  I've been playing either on Facebook or Plarium since the Mar'eth Quests were introduced, and the only time I ever received the Paragon Quest group was when my 30 PA ran out before Server Reset and I failed to reactivate it prior to Server Reset....which only happened maybe 3-4 times.

3) While it IS still possible, especially if I use alts or get lucky in my log in timing, the Weekly and Monthly 'daily' quests are now more difficult than they were previously.   So, if the reason the devs changed the code so that the Paragon Quest group would appear even when the Paragon is already active was an effort to make the Weekly and Monthly quests more achievable, then they failed in their intent.   They didn't make it easier.  They made it harder.

4) I don't think you understood my post.

      a)  First, using a 30 minute, 1 hour, or even a 1 day PA to complete the quest is not that big of a deal IF I have them.   However, if I do not have them, the quest can NOT be completed, as its impossible to buy a PA when one is already active.

      b)  Second, we should NOT have to spend a PA to complete a quest if the quest is ALREADY ACTIVE.   That is a silly requirement and has the potential to decrease revenue.   Depending on the Player's current needs, they may decide to avoid buying the 30 day PA on occasion.

Facebook players can complete a quest with an item bought with sapphires to get the quest to count numerically as completed, though the reward for the quest that was skipped is no longer given as it was when the feature was introduced.  Perhaps if this feature was implemented on Plarium platform, it would help, though it still doesn't explain away the ridiculousness of not having the PA quest automatically complete if the Paragon Bonus is already active.  Its also possible that some players will be cash strapped enough that they will be forced to choose between PA and paying for quest completions.  The PA gets more expensive with each Paragon level, so the scale of worth tilts further away from the PAs with each rise in Paragon level.

Aegon Targaryen said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Limad said:

Alina Phoenix said:

 

Aegon Targaryen said:

Now if they will only stop giving the Paragon collection of quests to those of us with the active Paragon status.   Getting that Quest collection and the Hamlet quest collection more than once pretty much ends any hope of 25.  I found it hard to even get 20 last week.  Those hamlet quests really need to go the way of the dodo.

Mar'eth Quests are meant to be a challenge for players. Some of them you can easily complete within minutes others require more time and dedication.

But even if you don't complete several Quests, you still will be able to finish Weekly/Monthly Quests. Their number is calculated in such way that players still have a room for Quests they can't complete. 

Hi Alina,

Until recently, Mar'eth quests were a nice little feature that rewarded daily activity and provided some nice bonuses along the way. The only real complaint players had was being asked to train troops that they hadn't discovered yet, but this was only really an issue for newer players and - as you said yourself on many occasions - this was designed as an incentive for players to discover those troops and become stronger etc etc. 

Roll forward to today and now new and old players are complaining daily about the recent changes. So, can you tell us what exactly was the problem with the old system that you guys were trying to resolve with these changes? And how exactly are these changes intended to resolve that problem?

Hello, Lord Limad!

The initial idea was the following: give Quests based on the player's account statistics. For example, if you have Paragon activated, you won't receive Quest on its activation as it's done already. 

Devs didn't take into account that such players would receive fewer Quests and won't be able to complete Weekly and Monthly Quests. It caused the issues, that's why they had to undo these changes.

Please UNDO the undoing of the changes.   I had an easier time completing the Weekly and Monthly quests when I NEVER got the Paragon quest group.

The INITIAL IDEA was the BETTER idea than the current situation.   Go back to it!

Please remove the Paragon Quest group from appearing when Paragon is active.   Having it appear makes it MORE difficult, NOT easier, to complete the Weekly and Monthly quests. 

All Quests that exist now, existed in the game before. 

The only change was done by mistake and it was the increase of Weekly Quests from 25 to 30 Quests.

Devs changed it back already :)

As for Paragon activation Quest, even if you don't complete this one, you still will be able to complete a required number of Quests for Weekly reward.

Alina Phoenix said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

Alina, the weekly 25 daily quests was doable, yes, as the Hamlet collection quests only appeared 2-3 times per week.  If it appeared 3 times (for a total of 9 quests), I still could get 16 dailies done in the other 4 days.

Now that the Paragon collection quests have been allowed into the rotation for those of us with active Paragon quests, this now becomes extremely unlikely.  The assist 20 league member quest is not doable at all.  Its not a challenge.  Its not possible to do.   The kill units at a Hamlet is also NOT possible, as its extremely rare to see an occupied hamlet.  If I do see one, its usually by a level 120 or above.  Again, its not a challenge.  Its not possible to complete.  That only leaves 3 (BG kills, assist leagueattack, and paragon).

What happens when I run out of 30 min and 1 hour paragon activators?   Its impossible to buy Paragon activators if one is already active, and I usually keep my 30 day PA going.   Now, I'm down to 2 for that day.

The assist league member attack quest requires such an attack to be available, and either 1) close enough to attack during the current in-game session, or 2) close enough to attack before the reset, and then hope to log on just before reset to claim the quest before it disappears.  This could easily bring this day's available quest down to just 1 (BG kills).

If I hadn't been keeping the Paragon active, I likely would have only rarely completed the weekly 25, and never completed the monthly 100 quests.

That makes 5 quests that are impossible (or virtually impossible) and 1 very difficult situational quest.  The 2 Hamlet resource quests, the kill troops at Hamlet quest, the assist league member building quests, the Paragon Activator quest (if already activated), and the assist league attack quest.

7*5-6=29.  Some days only have 4 listed instead of 5.  Getting either of the Hamlet or Paragon quest selections more than once prevents the Weekly 25 from being achieved.

Challenge is ok, if its actually doable.

Hello, my Lord!

What happens when I run out of 30 min and 1 hour paragon activators? 

You can win them as part of Tournament Reward :)

As for Quests on Hamlets, I already forwarded feedback to devs and they're working on making Hamlets more interesting to players. And "get this feature back to life".

In the near future, devs plan to add new Quests and they will allow you to complete Weekly/Monthly Quests easier :)

That is not a good answer.   I know I can continue to get new ones...in time.   However, I may be out on the day the Paragon Quest group appears.  If this happens, it will be impossible to complete that quest.

Also, that answer fails to address a ridiculous act of requiring a player who already has the Paragon active to apply another activation in order to complete the quest.   If a player is already spending thousands of sapphires to keep their Paragon bonus active, then this quest group, which is mostly difficult to achieve quests, should not appear at all.  Its a slap in the face to a paying customer, one likely to result in a reduction in the amount of Plarium's income in the future if not fixed.

Most of the quests in the group should not even be there, but if they're going to stay, then at least remove the Paragon Quest group from appearing when the Paragon is already active.   At an absolute bare minimum, the Paragon activation quest itself should be automatically completed the second the quest appears at server reset, if its already active.

I hope the Devs do make the Hamlets more interesting, but I'll see it when I believe it.    They actually had a TINY value when they were first introduced.  The moment the devs increased the speed to the Hamlets, they lost ALL value (other than defensive suicide).

Alina Phoenix said:

Limad said:

Alina Phoenix said:

 

Aegon Targaryen said:

Now if they will only stop giving the Paragon collection of quests to those of us with the active Paragon status.   Getting that Quest collection and the Hamlet quest collection more than once pretty much ends any hope of 25.  I found it hard to even get 20 last week.  Those hamlet quests really need to go the way of the dodo.

Mar'eth Quests are meant to be a challenge for players. Some of them you can easily complete within minutes others require more time and dedication.

But even if you don't complete several Quests, you still will be able to finish Weekly/Monthly Quests. Their number is calculated in such way that players still have a room for Quests they can't complete. 

Hi Alina,

Until recently, Mar'eth quests were a nice little feature that rewarded daily activity and provided some nice bonuses along the way. The only real complaint players had was being asked to train troops that they hadn't discovered yet, but this was only really an issue for newer players and - as you said yourself on many occasions - this was designed as an incentive for players to discover those troops and become stronger etc etc. 

Roll forward to today and now new and old players are complaining daily about the recent changes. So, can you tell us what exactly was the problem with the old system that you guys were trying to resolve with these changes? And how exactly are these changes intended to resolve that problem?

Hello, Lord Limad!

The initial idea was the following: give Quests based on the player's account statistics. For example, if you have Paragon activated, you won't receive Quest on its activation as it's done already. 

Devs didn't take into account that such players would receive fewer Quests and won't be able to complete Weekly and Monthly Quests. It caused the issues, that's why they had to undo these changes.

Please UNDO the undoing of the changes.   I had an easier time completing the Weekly and Monthly quests when I NEVER got the Paragon quest group.

The INITIAL IDEA was the BETTER idea than the current situation.   Go back to it!

Please remove the Paragon Quest group from appearing when Paragon is active.   Having it appear makes it MORE difficult, NOT easier, to complete the Weekly and Monthly quests. 

Aegon Targaryen said:

Alina, the weekly 25 daily quests was doable, yes, as the Hamlet collection quests only appeared 2-3 times per week.  If it appeared 3 times (for a total of 9 quests), I still could get 16 dailies done in the other 4 days.

Now that the Paragon collection quests have been allowed into the rotation for those of us with active Paragon quests, this now becomes extremely unlikely.  The assist 20 league member quest is not doable at all.  Its not a challenge.  Its not possible to do.   The kill units at a Hamlet is also NOT possible, as its extremely rare to see an occupied hamlet.  If I do see one, its usually by a level 120 or above.  Again, its not a challenge.  Its not possible to complete.  That only leaves 3 (BG kills, assist leagueattack, and paragon).

What happens when I run out of 30 min and 1 hour paragon activators?   Its impossible to buy Paragon activators if one is already active, and I usually keep my 30 day PA going.   Now, I'm down to 2 for that day.

The assist league member attack quest requires such an attack to be available, and either 1) close enough to attack during the current in-game session, or 2) close enough to attack before the reset, and then hope to log on just before reset to claim the quest before it disappears.  This could easily bring this day's available quest down to just 1 (BG kills).

If I hadn't been keeping the Paragon active, I likely would have only rarely completed the weekly 25, and never completed the monthly 100 quests.

That makes 5 quests that are impossible (or virtually impossible) and 1 very difficult situational quest.  The 2 Hamlet resource quests, the kill troops at Hamlet quest, the assist league member building quests, the Paragon Activator quest (if already activated), and the assist league attack quest.

7*5-6=29.  Some days only have 4 listed instead of 5.  Getting either of the Hamlet or Paragon quest selections more than once prevents the Weekly 25 from being achieved.

Challenge is ok, if its actually doable.

Hello, my Lord!

What happens when I run out of 30 min and 1 hour paragon activators? 

You can win them as part of Tournament Reward :)

As for Quests on Hamlets, I already forwarded feedback to devs and they're working on making Hamlets more interesting to players. And "get this feature back to life".