Unforgivens have been a group of leagues united for a very long time (I'm not sure for how long, but as long as I can remember)

UC have been a group of leagues united for a very long time (since the beginning of the KT vs Coralition war, however long ago that was)

Let's take a look at a couple fundamental differences between the UC and EMPERORS.

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Difference #1:  

Unforgivens agreed to a beacon NaP with the UC in order for us to re-build trust after they took our beacons during the KT war and we took them back after the KT war.  Both the UC and Unf leagues felt hurt from the actions around beacons, but we decided we wanted to build a peace, so we started with the first step of the beacon NaP.

During the start of the NaP meeting, emps lead discussions with lies, which they were qiuckly called out on - everyone in the room (all the UC and all the Unf legues) can remember how akward things were at that point. We all agreed it wasn't a great way to start building peace...  Then a few hours after the meeting ended and the NaP was set-up, Shin went around and broke the deal that his marshal made, he was confronted about it and we were told it would stop.  Then Shin decided to break it again the very next day.  At that point, Destiny said the NaP was dumb, Unf leagues have started with lies and continued to break it non-stop since inception, so we're out.

At that point, with our billion offense hammer, we could of run around and hit all the Unf leagues out of their beacons but instead held true to the intent of the NaP (even though we were technically out of it but all of our allies still were), and continued to communicate and attempt to re-build trust for the benefit of all the leagues involved, instead of doing what we wanted (which was to retaliate against Shin's attacks on us).

UE's response instead of correcting their mistakes and making the appropriate changes, they decided to leave the NaP, drop all their beacons (some of them going to the other Unf leagues, some to our other friends on the server) and then changed their name (so they could make some outlandish claim that they suddenly weren't tied to the Unf leagues anymore??)  and started hitting all of the UC beacons after they had just spent a bunch of money and purchasing an 800 mil hammer.

For weeks I talked with both Venom and Warhawk and asked if they were wiling to distance themselves from the Emps and they flat out refused - they claimed they didn't like what was going on, but they refused to drop diplo or take steps to distance themselves and instead chose to back their players that agreed publicly that emps were still accomplishing feats on behalf of the Unforgivens even though Emps had changed their name.

After many direct warnings to Unf (venom & warhawk in particular) to distance themselves from Emps (since they claimed they weren't an Unf league), Destiny then dropped the NaP and started attacking the fellow Unforgiven alliance members in retaliation for (unf) Emps dropping the NaP and attacking all of Destiny's allies.  

We would of gladly hit Emps beacons instead had they been brave enough to hold any, instead they are now branded as COWARDS who left all of their allies out there alone to take on retaliation for their actions.

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Difference #2

When the COWARDS coined up an 800 mil hammer, they ran to the forums and wrote a manifesto that is based (at least for the small portion I bothered to read) nearly completely on lies and un-truths as have been proven both by the most basic of logic and many screenshots of Shins direct lies and contradictions to what he claimed to be the truth.

When the UC built up it's hammer to the 800 mil mark, we didn't run to the forums and write some manifesto about how we're the best and how everyone else had wronged us.  We simply continued to play the game.

(Take note:  Shins lies didn't come out until he started making his grandios statements about how great the emps were and all victim mentality statements that he drafted on the forums.  That is when the overwhelming responses proving all the lies that Shin has been telling for such a long time came to light.)

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Difference #3

COWARDS ran to the forums and have attempted to control the entire beacon map now that they have coined up a 1.5 billion hammer, and started stating that they had they now were going to decide who was "deserving" to have a beacon, and who isn't.  They made a very black and white criteria of 50 mil being the determining factor, yet they immediately contradict themselves by only attacking certain leagues on certain beacons (some higher than 50 mil btw), and leaving leagues alone that have allied status with them and have subsequently deemed them "deserving" even though they do not meet this 50 mil requirement which was claimed to be a determining factor.

UC played it's own game and fought for the beacons we wanted instead of making grand statements stating that we have the power to decide who was allowed to have beacons and who wasn't. We also didn't go around the beacon map and start wiping leagues off beacons just because we could, but rather because we wanted to grow our own territory and we were willing to fight for it.

COWARDS have now started a cold war play style where they will wipe off any league that they deem to not be "deserving" of beacons, even though they don't want the beacons, their allies don't want the beacons, they purely want to control the beacon map while at the same time writing posts on the forums stating that they "don't care anymore" about beacons.  Since the Unf leagues have started this cold war type play style by attacking us, we have attacked them back in the same manner.

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I'll be very direct and clear:  

The UC does not control the beacon map, we will not make grandios claims to control the beacon map and ask leagues to come to our TS and grovel at our feet and make them tell us that they have 50 mil def and are now "deserving" and ask our permission to have beacons. 

The UC alliance was willing to stand up to the biggest coiner in the game at the time (Roane) and his 200 million offense and fought honerably till the end and slowly made our comeback after Roanes spending stopped.   

The UC is once again willing to stand up to what is by far the biggest coiners the game has ever seen that had an 800 mil hammer last week before the 75% event and is now a 1.5 billion hammer after the 75% event.  

(Nothing like 700 mil overnight growth like Emps are able to buy)

Is anyone else brave enough to put their troops on the line to fight back against such epic coining?  We are.  And we're still waiting...

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I'm willing to keep things going on the forums if the COWARDS are going to continue with what they started, I'm also willing to instead take the fight to beacons if they are willing to do that.

Hope to see you on the battlefield someday,

-test

s.mantegna150 said:

test said:

Unforgivens have been a group of leagues united for a very long time (I'm not sure for how long, but as long as I can remember)

UC have been a group of leagues united for a very long time (since the beginning of the KT vs Coralition war, however long ago that was)

Let's take a look at a couple fundamental differences between the UC and EMPERORS.

------------

Difference #1:  

Unforgivens agreed to a beacon NaP with the UC in order for us to re-build trust after they took our beacons during the KT war and we took them back after the KT war.  Both the UC and Unf leagues felt hurt from the actions around beacons, but we decided we wanted to build a peace, so we started with the first step of the beacon NaP.

During the start of the NaP meeting, emps lead discussions with lies, which they were qiuckly called out on - everyone in the room (all the UC and all the Unf legues) can remember how akward things were at that point. We all agreed it wasn't a great way to start building peace...  Then a few hours after the meeting ended and the NaP was set-up, Shin went around and broke the deal that his marshal made, he was confronted about it and we were told it would stop.  Then Shin decided to break it again the very next day.  At that point, Destiny said the NaP was dumb, Unf leagues have started with lies and continued to break it non-stop since inception, so we're out.

At that point, with our billion offense hammer, we could of run around and hit all the Unf leagues out of their beacons but instead held true to the intent of the NaP (even though we were technically out of it but all of our allies still were), and continued to communicate and attempt to re-build trust for the benefit of all the leagues involved, instead of doing what we wanted (which was to retaliate against Shin's attacks on us).

UE's response instead of correcting their mistakes and making the appropriate changes, they decided to leave the NaP, drop all their beacons (some of them going to the other Unf leagues, some to our other friends on the server) and then changed their name (so they could make some outlandish claim that they suddenly weren't tied to the Unf leagues anymore??)  and started hitting all of the UC beacons after they had just spent a bunch of money and purchasing an 800 mil hammer.

For weeks I talked with both Venom and Warhawk and asked if they were wiling to distance themselves from the Emps and they flat out refused - they claimed they didn't like what was going on, but they refused to drop diplo or take steps to distance themselves and instead chose to back their players that agreed publicly that emps were still accomplishing feats on behalf of the Unforgivens even though Emps had changed their name.

After many direct warnings to Unf (venom & warhawk in particular) to distance themselves from Emps (since they claimed they weren't an Unf league), Destiny then dropped the NaP and started attacking the fellow Unforgiven alliance members in retaliation for (unf) Emps dropping the NaP and attacking all of Destiny's allies.  

We would of gladly hit Emps beacons instead had they been brave enough to hold any, instead they are now branded as COWARDS who left all of their allies out there alone to take on retaliation for their actions.

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Difference #2

When the COWARDS coined up an 800 mil hammer, they ran to the forums and wrote a manifesto that is based (at least for the small portion I bothered to read) nearly completely on lies and un-truths as have been proven both by the most basic of logic and many screenshots of Shins direct lies and contradictions to what he claimed to be the truth.

When the UC built up it's hammer to the 800 mil mark, we didn't run to the forums and write some manifesto about how we're the best and how everyone else had wronged us.  We simply continued to play the game.

(Take note:  Shins lies didn't come out until he started making his grandios statements about how great the emps were and all victim mentality statements that he drafted on the forums.  That is when the overwhelming responses proving all the lies that Shin has been telling for such a long time came to light.)

-----------

Difference #3

COWARDS ran to the forums and have attempted to control the entire beacon map now that they have coined up a 1.5 billion hammer, and started stating that they had they now were going to decide who was "deserving" to have a beacon, and who isn't.  They made a very black and white criteria of 50 mil being the determining factor, yet they immediately contradict themselves by only attacking certain leagues on certain beacons (some higher than 50 mil btw), and leaving leagues alone that have allied status with them and have subsequently deemed them "deserving" even though they do not meet this 50 mil requirement which was claimed to be a determining factor.

UC played it's own game and fought for the beacons we wanted instead of making grand statements stating that we have the power to decide who was allowed to have beacons and who wasn't. We also didn't go around the beacon map and start wiping leagues off beacons just because we could, but rather because we wanted to grow our own territory and we were willing to fight for it.

COWARDS have now started a cold war play style where they will wipe off any league that they deem to not be "deserving" of beacons, even though they don't want the beacons, their allies don't want the beacons, they purely want to control the beacon map while at the same time writing posts on the forums stating that they "don't care anymore" about beacons.  Since the Unf leagues have started this cold war type play style by attacking us, we have attacked them back in the same manner.

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I'll be very direct and clear:  

The UC does not control the beacon map, we will not make grandios claims to control the beacon map and ask leagues to come to our TS and grovel at our feet and make them tell us that they have 50 mil def and are now "deserving" and ask our permission to have beacons. 

The UC alliance was willing to stand up to the biggest coiner in the game at the time (Roane) and his 200 million offense and fought honerably till the end and slowly made our comeback after Roanes spending stopped.   

The UC is once again willing to stand up to what is by far the biggest coiners the game has ever seen that had an 800 mil hammer last week before the 75% event and is now a 1.5 billion hammer after the 75% event.  

(Nothing like 700 mil overnight growth like Emps are able to buy)

Is anyone else brave enough to put their troops on the line to fight back against such epic coining?  We are.  And we're still waiting...

--------

I'm willing to keep things going on the forums if the COWARDS are going to continue with what they started, I'm also willing to instead take the fight to beacons if they are willing to do that.

Hope to see you on the battlefield someday,

-test

well there you Test , we left you with 2 beacons, where is all  that mouth now!

We knew you were coming those were what you would call "balur" beacons they had less than 2k units in them so way to go, and our sister league took 3 of them before you did and took out a whack of Tychi's offense while doing it so there ya go ... ty for the fun :)

Now as one of the names mentioned here i feel i have to comment.

I can ofc only speak for myself.

First of all going in to the NAP u had claims u want to see done , like with emps. We did everything u and others asked of us., u seem to forget to mention that here and only bring out the stuff u can use.

The only thing we refused was to drop our ally status and change our name. 

We keep telling u their actions was their problem we have nothing to do with it and wante to be kept out of it! But directly telling us to change our name is just plain disrespectfull.

I dont like this game of throwing with mud and will not get into it. But if u mention me in something u should get all the facts included. U talk like we were dishonest and such . That is not the case. We have keept our word all the way.. The one backing out of their word was u .

U told me u know we have nothing to do with it and was like thrown under the bus. Still u choose to attack!

U complain of the way emps play the game still u go ahead and do same.

So all u get out of not keeping your word is tthat Unforgiven will be even more tight than before exeapt we now know we cant trust u in these matters.

I dont care loosing Beacons or even my entire army. Only thing i care about is being a man of my word which u claim i was not!

And that is plain lie!! So if u really think i dont keep my word to you then let me know excatly where i did not

R_Warhawk75

What you fail to see here is tactically we are winning, we didn't have to drop all our beacons and hide our defense from your offense.  We still hold two beacons and a fortress.  Just like you, we did not care about losing beacons when it comes to a fight but we also minimized defense losses for our league.  You cannot boast you wiped us out because that would be a blatant lie.

Minimizing losses for our members was the right thing to do and I will stand behind that decision every time.

We all see how well you have done , going from 1st place to 5th place has been your victory right , the players can all tell the different versions of how things went down but one thing is for sure , destiny has been knocked off the throne and is no longer ranked number 1 

our defense is out and always has been out , you have done exactly the same thing by putting minimal def in your beacons and stacking up , there is no textbook way of playing the game , in fact you have made rules up to suit your needs 

Sarah Walker said:

our defense is out and always has been out , you have done exactly the same thing by putting minimal def in your beacons and stacking up , there is no textbook way of playing the game , in fact you have made rules up to suit your needs 

for instance where in the game rules does it say that a NAP can be made , i find it funny that your argue over a NAP when is a player invention and not how the game is meant to be played 

in a fortress that has force limits to how much offense can be sent at it - yup that's putting it out there :)

Tychi said:

Jezebel said:

What you fail to see here is tactically we are winning, we didn't have to drop all our beacons and hide our defense from your offense.  We still hold two beacons and a fortress.  Just like you, we did not care about losing beacons when it comes to a fight but we also minimized defense losses for our league.  You cannot boast you wiped us out because that would be a blatant lie.

Minimizing losses for our members was the right thing to do and I will stand behind that decision every time.

You didn't care about your beacons?.....Well what can I say?...Priceless, just Priceless!!....Give it a rest please its embarrassing

we put our members before beacons, You are all upset because we didn't set them up all nice and neat for Emps to hit while at war with us to make achievements and earn influence points (that's the only way you can now) .  You wanted us to sacrifice their defense for your benefit.  Sorry not gonna do it.

Jezebel said:

Tychi said:

Jezebel said:

What you fail to see here is tactically we are winning, we didn't have to drop all our beacons and hide our defense from your offense.  We still hold two beacons and a fortress.  Just like you, we did not care about losing beacons when it comes to a fight but we also minimized defense losses for our league.  You cannot boast you wiped us out because that would be a blatant lie.

Minimizing losses for our members was the right thing to do and I will stand behind that decision every time.

You didn't care about your beacons?.....Well what can I say?...Priceless, just Priceless!!....Give it a rest please its embarrassing

we put our members before beacons, You are all upset because we didn't set them up all nice and neat for Emps to hit while at war with us to make achievements and earn influence points (that's the only way you can now) .  You wanted us to sacrifice their defense for your benefit.  Sorry not gonna do it.

As for the spending keep doing it idc as shown in the post earlier Stormfall is on it's way out - a reality you all may want to consider before continuing - you will not be remembered for it in any way, shape or form when the server is dead.  No one will know about Tychi one of the biggest spenders in the game.

Will I be remembered in the game?... Maybe, maybe not. I guarantee you wont forget me lol. God knows how many times you wrote my name over the last 24hrs. Do you love/want me?.

test said:

Jezebel said:

thefray said:

When someone post's the screen shot you will see they probably lost more offense than our defense, now I know what you are thinking how could that happen, details will follow I am sure 

oh here let me

http://prnt.sc/ciwbva

http://prnt.sc/ciwco0

Since they like to brag, how about I show off the massive amounts of defense they took down:

453 - http://prntscr.com/cix4xg  http://prntscr.com/cix4v7

455 - http://prntscr.com/cix56b http://prntscr.com/cix521

454 - http://prntscr.com/cix5ci http://prntscr.com/cix59r

448 - http://prntscr.com/cix5gg http://prntscr.com/cix6mk

449 - http://prntscr.com/cix6q8 http://prntscr.com/cix6rx

It cost Tychi over 50 mil offense to take down a few million in defense we had sitting on the empty beacons.

Our tactical goal was to catch offense when emps pulled an "anarchy" and hit our emptied out beacons.  Mission accomplished :)

We are still waiting for you guys to do something other than hit empty beacons and brag.  Seems to be the only thing you guys can do lately.

Come now COWARDS, bring out those yer big old Credit Card army and give it a go.  

Tychi is personally down at least $5,000 - the rest of you Emps have some catching up to do, lol.

Not the 1st time and wont be the last time it happens. No big deal!!... But before you start with your TACTICAL GOAL crap. You know that's crap and so do I. Don;'t make me post ss to prove it and bring someone else into this BS. 

Jezebel said:

Tychi said:

Jezebel said:

Tychi said:

Jezebel said:

What you fail to see here is tactically we are winning, we didn't have to drop all our beacons and hide our defense from your offense.  We still hold two beacons and a fortress.  Just like you, we did not care about losing beacons when it comes to a fight but we also minimized defense losses for our league.  You cannot boast you wiped us out because that would be a blatant lie.

Minimizing losses for our members was the right thing to do and I will stand behind that decision every time.

You didn't care about your beacons?.....Well what can I say?...Priceless, just Priceless!!....Give it a rest please its embarrassing

we put our members before beacons, You are all upset because we didn't set them up all nice and neat for Emps to hit while at war with us to make achievements and earn influence points (that's the only way you can now) .  You wanted us to sacrifice their defense for your benefit.  Sorry not gonna do it.

As for the spending keep doing it idc as shown in the post earlier Stormfall is on it's way out - a reality you all may want to consider before continuing - you will not be remembered for it in any way, shape or form when the server is dead.  No one will know about Tychi one of the biggest spenders in the game.

Will I be remembered in the game?... Maybe, maybe not. I guarantee you wont forget me lol. God knows how many times you wrote my name over the last 24hrs. Do you love/want me?.

As for being one of the biggest coiners in the game, you got to be having a laugh aren't you?......I spend a little spare cash here and there for fun but no more than you.

lol wow such a vivid imagination and big ego .... dream on .... thanks for the chuckles 

Well that's a start, getting you to laugh :). Who knows what i'll have you doing by the time the war is over ;)

Sarah Walker said:

http://prntscr.com/cixhod  missed a bit there test , no slacking :)

still nothing compared to a defended beacon Sarah nothing to boast about 

http://prntscr.com/cixhod  missed a bit there test , no slacking :)

Jezebel said:

thefray said:

When someone post's the screen shot you will see they probably lost more offense than our defense, now I know what you are thinking how could that happen, details will follow I am sure 

oh here let me

http://prnt.sc/ciwbva

http://prnt.sc/ciwco0

Since they like to brag, how about I show off the massive amounts of defense they took down:

453 - http://prntscr.com/cix4xg  http://prntscr.com/cix4v7

455 - http://prntscr.com/cix56b http://prntscr.com/cix521

454 - http://prntscr.com/cix5ci http://prntscr.com/cix59r

448 - http://prntscr.com/cix5gg http://prntscr.com/cix6mk

449 - http://prntscr.com/cix6q8 http://prntscr.com/cix6rx

It cost Tychi over 50 mil offense to take down a few million in defense we had sitting on the empty beacons.

Our tactical goal was to catch offense when emps pulled an "anarchy" and hit our emptied out beacons.  Mission accomplished :)

We are still waiting for you guys to do something other than hit empty beacons and brag.  Seems to be the only thing you guys can do lately.

Come now COWARDS, bring out those yer big old Credit Card army and give it a go.  

Tychi is personally down at least $5,000 - the rest of you Emps have some catching up to do, lol.

thefray said:

When someone post's the screen shot you will see they probably lost more offense than our defense, now I know what you are thinking how could that happen, details will follow I am sure 

oh here let me

http://prnt.sc/ciwbva

http://prnt.sc/ciwco0