my thought is that coiners would have even a huger army...got by less time and got spending money

i would like also have time of building decreased but i think is not to have a huge army but yes to participate in pvps and battlegrounds more time that i do. i have to wait to have defense for a tournament to get 500 points and get 20 eldrich gollem. its desesperating to have to wait actually my queues empty arround 8 - 10 months

but it is what there are on game and i must adapt my play

Juglar del Viento said:

my thought is that coiners would have even a huger army...got by less time and got spending money

i would like also have time of building decreased but i think is not to have a huge army but yes to participate in pvps and battlegrounds more time that i do. i have to wait to have defense for a tournament to get 500 points and get 20 eldrich gollem. its desesperating to have to wait actually my queues empty arround 8 - 10 months

but it is what there are on game and i must adapt my play

Regards

My point isn't any kind of suggestion about production speed.

I'm trying to remove answers about balanced game.

Game isn't balanced.

There are several ways how game could be balanced, but for that there is a post in suggestion track.

You can never really claim any ballance ina  game where pay to win is a large part of the game. Buying and revive units for cash, is a mjaor inballance. You have the "haves" and have nots". So any claim the devs or admins make, changes will destroy ballance, is void right off the bat, because there is not much ballance to speak of as it is.

I appreciate your attention to our game balance. However, please keep in mind that our game gives an opportunity to get more Units faster, if you use Sapphires. It doesn't mean that it is unbalanced. Balance is a more complicated thing which consists of hundreds if not thousands aspects connected to each game feature,k Item, Unit, players' interaction, etc. 

Each game feature is considered, explained, described in details with all possible limits, interactions, costs, etc. We have several departments which are working on a game balance. I understand that when you're reading this word, you imagine something like scales where you put two players: one who buys Sapphires, and one who doesn't. And you thing that the scales should be in balance. However, it's not the same game balance which I am talking about. 

I do understand that it's hard to compete with players who buy Sapphires if you don't. And if you do buy some Sapphires, it's hard to compete with players, who buy many of them. It's one of the basic game features. You can have a huge army, but you will need either Sapphires or time + strategy. Moreover, you can play in group, unite with other players against a stronger enemy, etc.

I am always glad to pass your suggestions further, but only if they fit our game balance (which may differ for different game features). Even your bravest ideas have a chance to be implemented, but sometimes good ideas are declined just because our game is not adjusted for such changes. 

I hope I could clarify this situation for you 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I appreciate your attention to our game balance. However, please keep in mind that our game gives an opportunity to get more Units faster, if you use Sapphires. 

as usual, you have missed the point entirely.    there is no balance between coiners and non coiners. your answer is to become a coiner.

how is that helpful?  arent you embarrased to be making posts like this?  you are never helpful and either totally misunderstand what is being said or you just find some way to spin the idea of spending money to us.

 surely you realize how often you repeat the idea that buying saphires will fix things.

@Alyona:

You and me obviously are living on different planets. If we can't understand your (Plarium) definition of balance, why did you mention it among the sheep. Keep it for you and your environment and give us answer about we can agree or not, or nothing if you haven't such answer.

In this world balance has one meaning, and defined as "a state in which different things occur in equal or proper amounts or have an equal or proper amount of importance" (Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary).

About that balance I was talking, and I was very narrow in defining a problem: ratio between possibilities between coiner and non coiner is extremely unbalanced. I don't care will you gain million of $ or not, from coiners. I just expose view (truth, to be more precise) and explain how coiner can buy advantage over non coiner. Huge advantage, more than 20x.

And again, I have to live with that if I want to play this game, but I have not to listen "explanations" which uses balance as answer for almost every critic. I'm happy that you and yours are happy when you're talking about balance, you very probably come from same planet and can understand each others, but I (and obviously many others) can't understand your language. Forgive us and give us the answers that we can understand. Or none.

I have to agree with them here, Alyona.

First of all, what we are looking for here is a win/win situation both for Plarium and all types of players:

Plarium: make money, grow your reputation as a company that makes great games, attract more players, make more money. (We understand that Plarium wants to make money, and that's ok. It's what companies exist for after all.)

Players: great and lasting entertainment value and enjoyable interaction with other players, being able to build up at a similar and competitive rate investing either time and/or money on the game.

I think it is important to understand that Plarium wins not only when a player spends money on the game, but also wins when they spend time on the game. Non-coiners who are willing to spend increased time instead of money are necessary to keep the game active and alive. Many of them tend to be hardcore strategy gamers who will dedicate time to master the different mechanics and strategies of the game and make it competitive, and therefore interesting for the coiners as well.

If a non-coiner (or low coiner) sees that all the time and effort he/she spends on the game are basically useless because the game rewards coiners disproportionately, he/she will become discouraged and is likely to stop spending time on the game or quit it altogether.

If you truly and honestly want to call the game "balanced", then it needs to offer equal opportunities for spending either one's time OR one's money:

1. ALL items/units/etc. must be available both to coiners and non-coiners, just at a different speed. AND...

2. The difference in speed is what truly must be balanced, not infinite and immediate for coiners and miniscule and eternal for non-coiners.

It is this second point in which the game currently fails and is turning away many players.

Basically, the game should reward two things: paying and spending time on the game.

Plarium wins because many players will want to spend money in order to save time and effort of building up.

Plarium wins because non-coiners are necessary to keep the game active and competitive for the coiners, who will continue to spend their money. 

(In my experience, one of the fastest ways to get players to spend cash impulsively is when a coiner has a large amount of troops destroyed and wants to take immediate revenge. He will pay large amounts of money to buy an army and take revenge. This situation will happen more often if non-coiners are able to be strong enough to really hurt them, which is currently not realistically possible in a reasonable amount of time.)

As DROGAR61 mentions above, I ask Plarium find out for themselves and then to tell us clearly: what is one hour of our active playing time worth to you in money? Unfortunately, as of now, by the way the game has been set up, your answer is "practically nothing".

Please let us help you make this game awesome and even more profitable for you. That's how we both win. Thank you.

Bravo, JPRGG24!!!! (wild applause and shouts of approval)  "Please let us help you make this game awesome and even more profitable for you. That's how we both win. Thank you."

You are the hero of all non-coiners for your eloquence...

ilyria190 said:

Bravo, JPRGG24!!!! (wild applause and shouts of approval)  "Please let us help you make this game awesome and even more profitable for you. That's how we both win. Thank you."

You are the hero of all non-coiners for your eloquence...

Haha... thanks, ILYRIA. Bravo to you for actually making it through my whole long post!

Lord JUMY,

Nemanja said:

Lord JUMY,

more experienced players (like myself) can't notice any change in BG alghoritm. Furthermore, there are old posts explaining that fireballs damage is mostly limited to castle walls and skins. I'm sure that you'll change opinion after discovering Wyverns and Dragons.

sorry for your position Lord Mod. i have done all wall lv5 and i have done all lost arts, in this screen you see a lv1 wall and when i receive fb lose at least 5 time this

Inaginni said:

I'm sorry, but this is definitely wrong. I have played for coming on two years now and bgs have been changed multiple times. Perhaps you are talking about the BG algorithm changing in the last 1-2 months?

Also, fireballs ignore castle defense and deal damage 1 to 1. There's a post floating around out there about that and I'll edit that in, or reply to this thread if a few others reply first, if I find it.

Re battlegrounds only thing that has changed is glitch fix and since fix everyone is talking about conspiracy and changes.

Vladimir Stojanovic said:

Inaginni said:

I'm sorry, but this is definitely wrong. I have played for coming on two years now and bgs have been changed multiple times. Perhaps you are talking about the BG algorithm changing in the last 1-2 months?

Also, fireballs ignore castle defense and deal damage 1 to 1. There's a post floating around out there about that and I'll edit that in, or reply to this thread if a few others reply first, if I find it.

Re battlegrounds only thing that has changed is glitch fix and since fix everyone is talking about conspiracy and changes.

Wrong. Search through forum and you will find right answer.

We have a problem with both of you latest mods. You came here and started to implement some ugly rule, and at same time we could here so many wrong answers, and too many about you.

From mods we expect help, and correct information. Who you are and who you were is unimportant for us.

We need forum to change our experience and fillings. If you are correct no one will mention you, and in that case e will never break amazing rule.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Inaginni said:

However, I should note that this tax only appears for certain players. 

I can ensure you that Battlegrounds work equally for all players. There are no exceptions. Different players use different strategies, that's the only difference. Sometimes it's about planning and calculations, sometimes it's about luck.

But all players are equal on Battlegrounds.

More than likely that is correct, although perhaps a bit more involved. I was referencing to the more general idea on the forum that battlegrounds have taxes for the player. This is something many players in the KoK family have noticed and yet others haven't been affected by this tax, so more than likely it only appears for certain strategies.

I'd like to post my ideas, but I don't want to lead anyone astray since my ideas are not 100% verified. So I'll just leave it at "there seems to be a method that still gives a net positive in bgs."

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Drogar61 said:

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When you get posts and even threads deleted that doesn't break any rules acording to your rule page... and without any actual comment on WHY they got deleted/removed. You can start to wonder what going on, also, we are not allowed to raise discussion around it, because then we fall into the whole "you are not allowed to discuss moderators actions" and you end up get banned. So maybe its just better to not post anything, in the end. The rules should apply both to the users and the ones that should upheld them no?

until mod and plarium team play with 200 different names you may never have a balanced game, it's all fake

Lord JUMY, 

inappropriate language is violation of Forum rules. This is your second deleted post today.

Alyona, only what I care is talk about game. I never said ugly word. Sharp yes, but not ugly. And, maybe I didn't notice others, only me wrote public apology for mistake. Yes people can make mistake, that is normal.

What isn't normal is some behavior of Plarium advocates, but you took right from us to comment that, so no comment.

But, not all of your (plural) posts have right to be protected. Simple, some of your posts make direct damage to people who asked for help, and such posts can't be protected of comments, or almost everything on this forum will become useless.

You and me agree about possibility of mistake but I never saw correction from your side when we proved that you're wrong.

Also, when you act as player, not as mod, than you can be commented or some animals will have too much right on this farm.

Mod job is to keep forum clean and under rules, not to concludes every our conversation, and very often on very ugly and provocative way.

For such attempts stick rule shouldn't be used.

Some of you try to be in charge on this forum. That is wrong, too, and cause of many ugly threads, concluded with stick.

Maybe this help 

I know this thread has kinda gotten derailed from the original topic, but I was wondering, Alyona, if you would consider editing the posts instead of deleting them. If the entirety of the post is against the rules then you could edit it to say so, removing all the original content. That way we wouldn't be as confused when we return to certain threads and see parts of a conversation, such as a mod seemingly talking to himself.